Is it copying if you didn't know?

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Post by bum » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:52 am

If you use a anime/music combination that someone els has done, you've failed at life.

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Post by JaddziaDax » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:41 pm

just do it if you want.... unless they did it pretty well :P

but if you thought of it BEFORE you looked it up then its not idea stealing...

its just BAD if you take the song/anime idea AND steal footage from the AMV... I've had that happen to me lol

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Post by FoxJones » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:54 am

Very very simple..

If you watch other person's video first that has the same combo/concept, and take ideas/scene selections that you think works well from there to re-use in your AMV... it's copying.

If you just make the AMV before watching the other one with same combo/concept, and end up having plenty of same scene selections anway.... then it's not copying, no matter what people say.

Trouble comes when one viewer watches both of them and goes ballistic about it just because your AMV was released after the other ;) With this, Beowulf is on to something..


..and Bum.. just shut up and go screw a fly or something :twisted:
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Post by Kotori-ca » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:24 pm

For this perticular reason is why I typically refuse to watch other AMV's I'd never even post my stuff here. Only the stuff I have submitted to contests are on-line. In doing so no one else's creativity will affect mine. each one of my videos is my own creatoin, un affected or influenced by someone elses work. now and again I would imagine some things would be similar. What i do find handy is just checking to see who has made what to which song or video. Just to try and keep the combinations I create more unique. usually if I find one person that has created a video based on the same series, and song as what I had in mind. I will probably not even pursue it.

I think it would be silly to use something from a AMV someone else made.. to me that shows a lack of creativity... go with what you feel the scene requires, and not someone elses.. When I'm creating a video if it doesn't inspire me right away, it's put on the back burner.. heck I still have some back there.. un touched. for the most part.. just the opening is done. Someday I may return to it..

DuskvsTweak: I would say it is typically up to you. Since someone else has used the same music, and series.. did you watch their video? if so, I personally would forget it.. and see if a different music piece sparks your ideas. But if you have not watched it, then really I don't think it would hurt to make it.. since the one in question was only released a week ago.. I think you could only really be criticized for copying is if you watched the video, yours may have some influence based on what you saw in the other video. Just my thoughts..

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Post by kitsunebeolnet » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:13 pm

FoxJones wrote:Trouble comes when one viewer watches both of them and goes ballistic about it just because your AMV was released after the other ;)
REAL trouble is when you make a video, then someone makes one AFTER yours, using a couple of similar concepts or gags, and you get accused of ripping >them< off. GRRRR.

...still bitter over Naru-85 vs. Stillpreoccupied. :evil:

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Post by FoxJones » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:45 am

kitsunebeolnet wrote:REAL trouble is when you make a video, then someone makes one AFTER yours, using a couple of similar concepts or gags, and you get accused of ripping >them< off. GRRRR.
I don't see the problem here ;) Just laugh at the poor sap until you can't breathe anymore..

..oh.. now I see it. Dying by suffocation sucks :(

Like a great mind once said "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"
Hooray for natural selection! \^_^/
kitsunebeolnet wrote:...still bitter over Naru-85 vs. Stillpreoccupied.
If "stillpreoccupied" is Suberunker's AMV I still think they are VERY different AMVs and only thing they have in common is the song choice. (and I still like Naru-85 more)
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Post by kitsunebeolnet » Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:46 am

FoxJones wrote: If "stillpreoccupied" is Suberunker's AMV I still think they are VERY different AMVs and only thing they have in common is the song choice.
My complainer (Who luckily I haven't heard from since.) specifically targeted the 'NERVana' jokes and the Black Heaven footage.

Somehow, I 'cybersquated' on the song and then made it after I must have see a copy of Sp somewhere, before it was listed in the database.

That by itself would have been funny, but it was followed by a sharp drop in my star ratings on the vid.

Paranoid? maybe...

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Post by Sephiroth » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:58 am

Just do it, or don't. My most popular vid is to gravity of love by Enigma and that songs been used by how many other people. Really if people give you shit for something so stupid like that, somone else used said footage.

Then they really just can't find anything wrong with your video. The exception of this being linkin park.

People honestly think that they have some kind of origenality with AMVs. The concept of which is not entirly true. After all how origenal are we for using somone elses work. All the origenality that we really have is how we exicute the changes we make.

I have yet to see a fight break out becuase two editors used the same video source. Or mabye i should start that with end of eva "NO YOU CAN'T USE ASUKA FIGHTING THAT'S IN MY VIDEO".

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Post by kthulhu » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:28 am

It's always a sin. I say, find who did whatever scene first, and make everyone else who used it afterwards either re-edit their video(s), or delete them.

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