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devilmaykickass · Post by **devilmaykickass** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:56 am

I tend to only download high rated videos, particularly because I'm on 56k and the average video takes me a good three to five hours (I get about 18MB an hour)...

But then, I've noticed that all most of the videos I've downloaded in the last month were VERY high rated and they sucked. Terribly. It's annoying.

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:33 am

I don't download anything less than a 7.5

asrrin29 · Post by **asrrin29** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:20 am

Well, for me, if it's a well known anime/ sing, I will generally shoot for higher scores. the more obscure the anime/song is, the more lieniant I am about judging the AMV before I download it. I also especially look at the description the creator puts out when downloading. if it's not at least a small paragraph, unless it's on the to 10% list, I rarely look at it. a creator has to have some pride in his work for me to be able to appreaciate it.

I also look at the number of downloads and the number of opinions given. generally any AMV that doesn't have an op I don't look at unless it's the only one of it's genre/anime/song.

So I'd have to say, while the rating system is useful, there are other ways to judge an AMV before downloading it that give you a better sense of what it could be.

(and btw, I am in the US, but when I give out ops, usually 6 or below is bad for me, while 7 is average, and 8 is above average. I think it's because I round down...

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Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:09 am

asrrin29 wrote:Well, for me, if it's a well known anime/ sing, I will generally shoot for higher scores. the more obscure the anime/song is, the more lieniant I am about judging the AMV before I download it. I also especially look at the description the creator puts out when downloading. if it's not at least a small paragraph, unless it's on the to 10% list, I rarely look at it. a creator has to have some pride in his work for me to be able to appreaciate it.

I'm the other way around... I hate ppl that just can't shut up about their work! I mean what good is background info, tools used and stuff gonna do me! More often then not, none, whatsoever except a waste of my time and a few extra strokes to get to the download button at the bottom -_-. I'm not saying if you got a short, funny little story or won awards don't put it, just I shouldn't feel like I HAVE to do that since there's no point to it. I guess it just takes all types

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Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:15 am

especially when they post LYRICS!! Boy that chaps my hide (it makes the strokes rough

). I mean I'd rather ppl be more SELECTIVE about what songs they use rather than try to convince the viewer of they're insanity. Some songs JUST AREN'T GOOD AMV CANDIDATES! Good song + good anime does not always make a good amv. Call me lazy but I don't want to spend 10 minutes while the car salesman trys to convince me that I like his car! It's just not fun.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:25 am

Knowname wrote:Call me lazy but I don't want to spend 10 minutes while the car salesman trys to convince me that I like his car! It's just not fun.

Um. Noone makes you read the descriptions and lyrics, you know. :roll"

In fact, I write my descriptions as purely optional and only give a short gist in the opening sections and then detailed info below FOR THOSE WHO WANT. That's just a way for me to avoid any future unneccesary general questions on creative and technical aspects - by having them answered in full for inquiring minds. And if any more detail than that is required - well, that's a sign of a very attentive viewer and I'm all too glad to respond to that.

Anyway.

My own marking system or why my average is so high?

I use a "innocent until proven guilty" system, that is all videos for me are perfect 10's UNTIL I find something wrong with them in that or other section. I go from there and deduct accordingly.

Sue me for it if you want

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:26 am

Otohiko wrote:
Knowname wrote:Call me lazy but I don't want to spend 10 minutes while the car salesman trys to convince me that I like his car! It's just not fun.
Um. Noone makes you read the descriptions and lyrics, you know.

It's worth underlining, anyway, because I think your point there is rather unreasonable to say the least.

Melanchthon · Post by **Melanchthon** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:32 am

Knowname wrote:especially when they post LYRICS!! Boy that chaps my hide (it makes the strokes rough ). I mean I'd rather ppl be more SELECTIVE about what songs they use rather than try to convince the viewer of they're insanity.

Oh yeah, I can't stand it when people post the lyrics and nothing else. If I can't hear the lyrics and feel the need to look them up, I'll Google for it, thanks. And it's not as though I'd be reading the lyrics and watching the AMV at the same time.

I wouldn't mind if an editor wrote down one or two unclear lines in the song though, especially if the lyrics are otherwise understandable.

And I'd rather ignore an essay than click on a link to an unfamiliar song and anime and find that the editor hasn't even summarised it.

Right, what was the topic again? Oh yeah, review scores.

Five is tolerable, six is okay, seven is good, nine is very good to almost perfect, and ten is perfect. Eight just falls between categories for me. I usually check out opinions before downloading, if the editor hasn't bothered writing anything useful on the info page. Only if the opinions are unavailable or non-existent do I start checking out the scores, and even then I'll probably ignore them as I was interested enough in the video to read its information page.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:57 am

Otohiko wrote:My own marking system or why my average is so high?

I use a "innocent until proven guilty" system, that is all videos for me are perfect 10's UNTIL I find something wrong with them in that or other section. I go from there and deduct accordingly.

Sue me for it if you want

YOUR the reason the average here is 8 now!! I start at 7 as that is all I expect not a 10. Then again, it takes all types.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:02 pm

There's carrot and stick. I choose carrot and then insert pointed sticks where appropriate. No need to be a harsh critic as long as the feedback serves a practical function. I think striving for an equalized mark average is pretty pointless. Well, marks are on the whole pretty pointless, which is why I nearly always do mark breakdowns in my ops to explain why I gave certain marks. It's the feedback that counts.

In my view, the op system as feedback works very well on a one-on-one basis as a means of exchanging views between the artist and the audience. It pretty much fails as marks go on the level of the AMV community in general. And it's impossible for it not to, but I guess the competitive orientation of the community members and society at large makes it hard to dispense with it.