Hatter vs. Tab: The Codec Grudge Match [SPLIT]

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:03 pm

Tab. wrote: Yeah, I think that was back when I still believed that the physical is in any way externally influenced and that you had some kind of 'demon'
The moral? AP Psych is your friend.

Awww, Tab lost his innocence and doesn't believe in "magic" anymore. He, he, he...the devil will show you many pretty lights. ^_^

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:55 pm

WTF my dogs farts smell like catfood.....

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:51 pm

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote:Awww, Tab lost his innocence and doesn't believe in "magic" anymore. He, he, he...the devil will show you many pretty lights. ^_^

Devil doesn't exist. And trust me, you didn't have any influence over my change in ideas

even though your job in life is to 'consume innocence and process it into evil' as you so eloquently expressed to me while you were drunk the other night. Though really, there was no innocence in the belief in occult forces at all

even less so I'd think. If I find substantial evidence to the contrary, I would just as easily reconsider it's points. It's just that psychology combined with too many occultists has convinced me that the mind isn't as externally influenced as many of them believe.
But that's not really a point you'd want to be arguing, you need some kind of scapegoat for having a 'demon' and if you want to be all phenomenalistic about it the only option you've really got is schizophrenia or some other form of severe dementia.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 6:19 pm

Tab. wrote:Devil doesn't exist.

Oh wow, thanks for telling me that, Tab. I mean for awhile there I was worried that the other 80%+ of the population was right about this "devil" guy. Who knew that all we had to do was ask you to find out for absolute certainly. You REALLY DO know everything!

And trust me, you didn't have any influence over my change in ideas

Of course not, I don't have the power to change what people think, I can only give you opportunities to believe in what you TRULY want.

even though your job in life is to 'consume innocence and process it into evil' as you so eloquently expressed to me while you were drunk the other night.

Actually that isn't what I said at all. You do know that drunk or not I archive every piece of text I put forth on the Inet.

In fact, I said much the opposite of what you're claiming. Because I'm evil I am attracted towards innocence, being around it creates a kind of balance. The problem is that if I'm arround too much innocence it disrupts the balance and in order to compensate I become more evil, insideous, etc, etc. However it's not evil like you have any concept of. It's like I suddenly just become 8 shades of grumpus and start randomly verbally beating the fuck out of innocents. You might try thinking about it as more of an uncontrolable afflicton, which causes people I'm in contact with to become...uh...corrupted in a way, I guess that's an okay way of putting it. Spoken language overall is rather limiting in regards to what it is that actually occurs, but I'm sure you can get the general idea.

Though really, there was no innocence in the belief in occult forces at all

*gasp*

You mean you wanted to believe in the "dark arts"? OOOooo...scary.

even less so I'd think. If I find substantial evidence to the contrary, I would just as easily reconsider it's points.

*shrugs*

As if it matters.

It's just that psychology combined with too many occultists has convinced me that the mind isn't as externally influenced as many of them believe.

You mean Eminem isn't REALLY making all those young kids run to school with guns shooting everybody?! Heh...

But that's not really a point you'd want to be arguing, you need some kind of scapegoat for having a 'demon'

Not really so much "having" as "am". Only "demon" isn't quite the word I would choose.

and if you want to be all phenomenalistic about it the only option you've really got is schizophrenia or some other form of severe dementia.

What's more crazy, believing you're a higher dimensional life form...or believing that a higher dimensional life form that created the entire universe... I mean, certainly either one is a stretch, but come on, that's like saying you believe in faries and then turning right around and saying you also believe that faries were responsible for the creation of McDonalds, Mikey Mouse and pizza.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 6:23 pm

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote:However it's not evil like you have any concept of. It's NOT like I suddenly just become 8 shades of grumpus and start randomly verbally beating the fuck out of innocents. You might try thinking about it as more of an uncontrolable afflicton, which causes people I'm in contact with to become...uh...corrupted in a way, I guess that's an okay way of putting it. Spoken language overall is rather limiting in regards to what it is that actually occurs, but I'm sure you can get the general idea.

You know it really is rather inconvienent that you can't edit posts you've made. And no offense to Phade or anything, but come on, it's one of the prebuiltinto features of UBB fer keerist sake.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 6:34 pm

Well now I feel like drawing......onward ho!!!..Fetch me my paper and pencil..there'll be bloodshed tonight!!!!!!!!!!!

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:14 pm

Onideus_Mad_Hatter wrote:*gasp*

You mean you wanted to believe in the "dark arts"? OOOooo...scary.

?:| what? Occultism in it's own right isn't biased towards any poles. I was saying there's nothing at all innocent or blind about researching a lot of it's concepts. Dunno where you're going with that one really.

*shrugs*

As if it matters.

*shrug*
I find truth-seeking interesting.

Not really so much "having" as "am". Only "demon" isn't quite the word I would choose.

Well, check your logs, cause it's the word you used

What's more crazy, believing you're a higher dimensional life form...or believing that a higher dimensional life form that created the entire universe... I mean, certainly either one is a stretch, but come on, that's like saying you believe in faries and then turning right around and saying you also believe that faries were responsible for the creation of McDonalds, Mikey Mouse and pizza.

Yeah, notice I said phenomenalism. I.E. no such thing as existence outside the physical. If you're gonna hop that train and say that occult influences are false, you've got no other source of your 'issue' than a mental disease.

Btw, supposing this demon thing is actual and possible, you said it came into you at some time. Thus, it'll eventually leave you. You're not integrated any more than you are with your own body. Both you and your body, and you and the demon will be seperated one day. So you couldn't rightfully consider it 'you' any more than you can your body, which if there is a higher form of existence, wouldn't be you at all.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:54 pm

Tab. wrote: *shrug*
I find truth-seeking interesting.

Sometimes the truth isn't something you really want to know. Sometimes the truth can change you in ways you didn't want to.

Well, check your logs, cause it's the word you used

Well I've also claimed to be God, the full embodiment of the antichrist, a vampire, a demon, the devil himself, etc, etc. In case it hasn't dawned on you yet, I'm not handing out awards for credulity.

The ultimate bottom line is that I really don't know what I am, I have no idea about the true extent of what I'm capable of and to be perfectly honest I'm not really in any rush to go and find out. *shrugs* I dunno why, maybe my perception of time is just different from yer average joe. Years pass but to me it hardly seems like any time at all. I see people around me constantly rushing, like in some desperate frenzy of pointlessness, and to me, I dunno, I just don't feel like I need to be in any sort of hurry.

The only thing I can tell you for certain is that I'm not entirely human, that fact comes from various tests that have been done on me throughout the years. Nothing so extreme as genetic testing or anything, but there are enough unexplainable abnormalities in my blood, immune system, etc that it's pretty obvious to anyone who has a complete set of all my medical tests...which no one does except for me. And before you or anyone else suggest it, don't bother, I've been tested for nearly every single disease you can possibly think of, all of which came out to be a resounding negative.

I posses various abilities as well, nothing too incredible mind you, but they certainly make me stand out at times. For one I don't get sick and I'm generally immune to most biotoxins and such. My favorite food is rare steak and I've never gotten food poisoning. I don't get colds, I don't get the flu, even when I go to extremes like drinking out of the same glass as someone whose sick. If I get stung by say a wasp or a bee, there is no allergic reaction. Where as in most people it'd all swell up nice and huge, for me, it just hurts a bit all you can see is a lil hole where the stinger went it, nothing more. My reaction time and speed for the most part is also vastly superior to that of normal people. And I mean vastly superior without actually doing well, much of anything really. I don't really work out, I'm not much into weight lifting, I don't train in any way and yet my strength is far superior to that of most people. Sometimes I wonder, what would happen if I actually did put in effort as far as phsyical training, just how much stronger could I become. Of course on the flip side I find my strength currently to be more burdensome than helpful, so uh, yeah. So on the whole, I can tell you I'm a bit different, but I don't really have any explanation as to why, nor am I in any particular hurry to find out.

Btw, supposing this demon thing is actual and possible, you said it came into you at some time. Thus, it'll eventually leave you. You're not integrated any more than you are with your own body. Both you and your body, and you and the demon will be seperated one day. So you couldn't rightfully consider it 'you' any more than you can your body, which if there is a higher form of existence, wouldn't be you at all.

*shrugs*

Believe as you like. I'm afraid I really can't help you to find what it is that you're looking for. I don't have the answers...maybe no one does...maybe that's not the point.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:17 pm

Sorry to go ot (back on topic actually), but I never took such a close look at the System's part of Mpeg 4, and the rich media BIFS lets you create is fucking amazing. It's like, complete interactivity and ability to render any 2D or 3D graphics or video/image/audio object as part of an interactive (or pre-set) scene. It's incredible, there's like nothing you can't have it do. Immensely more advanced than the system of overlays and interactive objects that DVD-video uses.
My floor is covered in spooge.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter · Post by **Onideus_Mad_Hatter** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:06 pm

Tab. wrote:Sorry to go ot (back on topic actually), but I never took such a close look at the System's part of Mpeg 4, and the rich media BIFS lets you create is fucking amazing. It's like, complete interactivity and ability to render any 2D or 3D graphics or video/image/audio object as part of an interactive (or pre-set) scene. It's incredible, there's like nothing you can't have it do. Immensely more advanced than the system of overlays and interactive objects that DVD-video uses.
My floor is covered in spooge.

Speaking of the topic, and maybe someone could pass this on to the peeps over at Doom9, if someone REALLY wanted to make things easier, they could rework Matroska's file attachment ability so that instead of production notes and useless crap like that, it could in fact include copies of the video and audio codecs that were used in the video itself. On the whole, it's not really gonna add much onto the file size and it could revolutionalize set top players, since they could essentially be built to play practically any video/audio file without needing any sort of future firmware upgrade. And for playing on the computer, never would you ever have a need to worry about having the right codec to play the video cause, well, you'd already have it. Just a thought.