DON'T RIP-OFF THE AMVs of OTHERS!

imadude · Post by **imadude** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 5:36 am

ill admit i use other peoples footage for ALL my amvs but i only make amv's for fun and to me i dont see anything wrong with that but idunno maybe some of u see it diffrently

TobinHood · Post by **TobinHood** » Sun Aug 18, 2002 10:35 am

It's happened to me before. Someone used my video with all my effects and editing in 30 second intervals of his video with no editing at all and some quick different scenes slapped in there.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 1:03 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
Declan_Vee wrote:In regard to using other videos for source footage... I don't have a problem with people doing it... I don't see how anyone could have a problem with it... This is really childish.
I'll tell you why I'd have a problem with it.

There's a section on the last full video I made where I had to actually draw characters myself because there weren't scenes with appropriate shots of the characters.

Now if someone used that footage in their own amv without asking, I'd be very annoyed. Some scenes I had to animate myself frame by frame, it's not like they are using footage that was originally in the anime, in lots of my videos a large amount of the footage is changed in some way. In the video I was just talking about over 95% of the frames in the video are composited by me and can't be found in the original anime.

So, yes, if someone took that footage without asking me I'd be more than a little annoyed given the amount of time I took drawing, pasting and animating things myself.

DUDE, YOU GO!! TELL 'EM OFF!!

^_^

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 1:09 am

AH, but what if you used UNLICENSED DIGISUBS!?

^_^

Either way...
The facts are simple.

It's a person's opinion on how "right" or "wrong" this is.

Let me put the scales this way.

If the videos you make aren't very special to you and you don't feel you did much work on them, then you'd probably not care if someone took your works cause they're no big deal to you.

However, in AbsoluteDestiny's case, he who worked for Godawful long and grueling lengths of time on his Shameless Rock Video, he has every right to say "you fucking loser dipshit!" to the one who uses his "super elite edited" footage and then say he did it himself.

I'm for the latter. I hold the editing in my videos to be something that I did. I'm not getting paid for it so I'd like to say the EDITING (not the music/anime) is mine alone. Should someone use the exact same fx/anime as me (come on, how can you NOT distinguish Feel the Rhythm from other amvs?!) I'd be royally pissed and again, I'm a vengeful bastard...

With LOTS of warez progies...

ssjvegitto · Post by **ssjvegitto** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 1:26 am

I have a quick Newbie question. I wanted to know if it is ok to use regular scenes from other people video. I mean like using regular clips. I am not talking about overlaying or fading, just some regular scenes here and there. Nothing special. Not like 30 secs worth;just a few secs from multiple videos. and not using just 1 or 2 vids. I wanted to know this before I tried anything like it.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 1:46 am

ssjvegitto wrote:I have a quick Newbie question.

How come everything around here is a "quick newbie question"? ^_^ We realize you are a newbie by the nature of your question, you don't have to announce it, and the fact that you did will only draw negative attention towards you.
In my opinion that would be a very bad thing. I would write you a nasty letter if you did it to me, for example.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 3:06 am

I would say that if you just used the clips, no one would have any idea you didn't just get it from the anime. It's when you use edited clips that make it obvious. So, if you just use a scene because you don't have the footage yourself, it isn't bad...in fact I doubt anyone could tell.

On the other hand, the quality is going to be horrible if you don't rip/capture it yourself. The amv's for download have been encoded once already (assuming they came from captured/ripped footage themselves) so doing it yourself is still the best way.

Petro · Post by **Petro** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 8:38 am

ssjvegitto wrote:I have a quick Newbie question. I wanted to know if it is ok to use regular scenes from other people video. I mean like using regular clips. I am not talking about overlaying or fading, just some regular scenes here and there. Nothing special. Not like 30 secs worth;just a few secs from multiple videos. and not using just 1 or 2 vids. I wanted to know this before I tried anything like it.

As long as you're sure that it's an actual scene in the anime, and not one that the AMV creator made by hand, I don't see any problems with it. The rule of thumb I'd use is: Did the AMV creator DO anything to the scene? If no fades/overlays/effects were used, than that'd be exactly the same as using footage from the anime - but in general: if you can use footage from the anime. ^^ Also, if you use too many scenes from another video, then you should probably loose big points in originality

Kusoyaro · Post by **Kusoyaro** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:53 am

One time somebody on the ORG took one of my videos, stripped off the audio, and replaced it with a different song from the SAME artist...didn't alter the video one bit! He just faded the audio out at the end when my video ended. In his description he said that he worked hard on it for his girlfriend. I was tempted to email him saying, "Well, since *I* actually made that video, does that mean *I* get to have sex with your girlfriend?"

Anyway, it was sorted out in a more civil manner, and he apologized.

But this kind of thing has been going on for a long time and will continue to do so. Nothing we can really do about it. I do kinda draw the line when someone takes a video in its ENTIRETY, though. And once or twice I've had people put their own names on my videos. That's definitely annoying.

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:56 am

ssjvegitto wrote:I have a quick Newbie question. I wanted to know if it is ok to use regular scenes from other people video. I mean like using regular clips. I am not talking about overlaying or fading, just some regular scenes here and there. Nothing special. Not like 30 secs worth;just a few secs from multiple videos. and not using just 1 or 2 vids. I wanted to know this before I tried anything like it.

A quick checklist:

Is there an obvious special effect on the clip?
You Can't Use It.

Is there a personal logo of a creator on the clip?
You Can't Use It.

Is there non-subtitle, creator-added text on the clip, or a non-transparent logo?
You Can't Use It.

Is there a cut between scenes in the middle of the clip?
You Can't Use It -- as one clip. Cut on the cut and make two clips.

Are there subtitles on the clip?
You Shouldn't Use It. Even if they're in Chinese or Korean. 99% of the time clips with subtitles on them do not have the subtitles serving any purpose in the video; they are just crap messing up the picture. Show that you have better taste than such people: don't put clips with subs on them in your vid.

Does it appear in nearly all AMVs made with this anime?
You Shouldn't Use It. If you're not going to capture/rip/clip from digisubs any of your own source, the least you can do is not add to the pile of terminally overused scenes. These include any part of the fight between Asuka and the production Evas from EoE as well as that really neat still-frame flip-sequence faceoff from the end of the first Kenshin OVA.

hth,

--Kai