Police watch as handcuffed man blows up!

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Post by danielwang » Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:59 pm

jonmartensen wrote:Yes, it does suck, but the police are certainly not the ones at fault.
I agree. The person who devised this scheme is at fault for not implementing a remote disarm function.

However, there is one flaw in the officer's actions:

1) Don't handcuff the person. If he came to you, he certainly could have escaped and therefore he probably isn't the perp. Adding restraints simply complicated the matter for the bomb squad.

I have a better plan to rob a bank. It has a lower probability of success, but almost no probability of getting caught as you can rob the bank from the other side of the world. It's simple, really:

Robotically rob the bank. Details are being witheld as there are too many, but let's say that I've figured out the communications (crypto, several redundant measures), security (capacitance passivation layer ala SchlumbergerSema), the explosives and even the fallback.

The entire thing is going to run off of Asea Brown Boveri robotics (If you've seen Gundam 0083 you know why you shouldn't use Honeywell), a computer running Windows .NET Gundam (SSH REQUIRED!), elo Touchsystemes touchscreen and an Allen-Bradley controller.

Galley ports, etc won't stop the bot... once it's inside, it seperated into 5 components and there are 3 explosive devices carefully engineered so they can't be disarmed... method to prevent the people fromleaving include infrared sensors.

Marked bills, bait bills and dye packs will be stopped before they even get inside - I'll use a Diebold bill sensosr and security partitioning system to read bills and seperate them.

And of course dispense slots for displayoing or giving items... theoretically I can use a robotically controlled vehicle for a getaway, or public transportation even. Just have the robot unlock the Diebold magazine and empty the stackers into a preprinted Airborne Express envelope. The rbotic card drives up to a preprogrammed dropbox location, open the dropbox and deposit the envelope full of cash.

Cameras, microphones, sensors and controls are linked to the perpetrator realtime via Internet connection (long term) or if close, Infrared, radiolink or other. As part of the fallback system, the bomb goes into a scripted detonation conditional if the link fails.

Simple, really.
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Post by jonmartensen » Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:11 pm

danielwang wrote:
jonmartensen wrote:Yes, it does suck, but the police are certainly not the ones at fault.
I agree. The person who devised this scheme is at fault for not implementing a remote disarm function.

However, there is one flaw in the officer's actions:

1) Don't handcuff the person. If he came to you, he certainly could have escaped and therefore he probably isn't the perp. Adding restraints simply complicated the matter for the bomb squad.
He did not go to the police, thay stopped his car and arrested him.
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Post by danielwang » Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:55 pm

jonmartensen wrote:
danielwang wrote:
jonmartensen wrote:Yes, it does suck, but the police are certainly not the ones at fault.
I agree. The person who devised this scheme is at fault for not implementing a remote disarm function.

However, there is one flaw in the officer's actions:

1) Don't handcuff the person. If he came to you, he certainly could have escaped and therefore he probably isn't the perp. Adding restraints simply complicated the matter for the bomb squad.
He did not go to the police, thay stopped his car and arrested him.
It could be either scenario then. In either case, the perpetrator is certainly a ver, very, very clever person. However, I don't believe the perpetrator would've killed himself to get away: pointless. Watch for more bank robberies in this style soon...
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Post by Nappy » Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:09 pm

It's the bomb squads fault, they didn't come cuz they were waiting on a pizza they ordered >_>

but ya, if he really didn't do it. Perhaps the one who forced him to rob the bank might do this again to someone else :l

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Post by Jace Tsunami » Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:11 pm

normal police don't suck, it's your every day traffic officer and such that blow.

What douche bags most of these people are.
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Post by klinky » Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:41 pm

Jon>>

I agree with you. Now that I think about it. But it just seems so crappy that they probably ruffed him up, handcuffed him and then stuck him in the backseat to explode. Sure the bomb squad was on their way, but they already put themselves in harm and that bomb could have been alot larger and blown everything up :\.

Gahg >_<. It would really suck to be yellling "Hey there coppers, my hands are behind my back, couldn't you get this off me?" then have all the cops running away :p. LOL

Well, I wonder why he didn't just remove it himself. I don't see how they could have done a better job. :/ There was no remote listening device it sounds like. So :\ Hmm.

Just very very odd, and rather sad.

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Post by Toecutter » Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:16 pm

This kind of pisses me off, because I'm a pizza delivery driver, and this trap could be easily duplicated by a copycat here in Oregon. Of course, we're not allowed to carry weapons, mace, or defensive tools of ANY kind (it's a liability issue).

The handcuffs weren't necessary, considering the police formed a circular perimeter with their squad cars, keeping the victim a good distance away from endangering other lives. Also, they didn't have a damn clue if he was holding a dead-man switch. Putting the cuffs on him could have easily moved his hand enough to complete the circuit, and blow them all to kindgom come!

The cops could have at least asked if the guy knew of any defensive measures (i.e., momentary pushbotton microswitches set to detonate the bomb if it was removed from him), and informed the bomb squad of any details while they were on route. Of course, like every other complex, government organization, they're scared to death of being sued, so they have to avoid any direct action without going through a shitload of procedures.

Another option would be the use of knock-out gas, which would eliminate any interference from the victim, and if he turned out to be the perpetrator, reduce the risk of the bomb detonating via manual override switch.
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Post by post-it » Sun Aug 31, 2003 7:23 pm

Toecutter wrote:reduce the risk of the bomb detonating via manual override switch.
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