The New Way Of Multiple-Author AMV Project

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:41 pm

danielwang wrote:
Dannywilson wrote:Another thing. I don't want my editors watching the whole video before it's completed. I usally host a beta when all parts have been uploaded to let the creators tell me if their part is off synchronization, if so, I then go back and fix it.
I really don't get this, though it's apparent you have much more experience than I do.

If that's the case, then that defeats the entire purpose of collaboration.

Dannywilson wrote:I dare you to run a project like you've set up, with 20+ editors and watch how fast it falls to the ground. My money is on less than a month.
I just had *another* brilliant, but simple, idea for doing concurrent-stage design conferencing!

Send out preproduction DVDs.
Put all of the AMV authors on a conference phone call.
Talk about it.

The first part. One word as to why I dont let anyone see it till all parts are completed: Anticipation. If the editors are anticipating it it creates a "hype" of sort, which then translates into wider vid dissemination when it is released.

The second part. Three words: Long distance charges. Lets not forget the sleep scheduals. I have had creators that can barely speak english even after translation with babelfish. I have editors from all around the world, and with time zones as they are, it makes the task even more daunting. If you are going to do something conference-wise, why not do a AIM or MIRC chat?

Nappy · Post by **Nappy** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:22 pm

If you want it all to look the same, just make a various vid by yourself :l

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:20 am

trythil wrote:
danielwang wrote:I really don't get this, though it's apparent you have much more experience than I do.
If that's the case, then that defeats the entire purpose of collaboration.
The points of collaboration in an multi-editor AMV are:

.....

Not to mention that forcing a similar style to all editors does not work well with points #1, #3, #5, and #7.

However, consistency isn't always a bad thing: a multi-editor AMV that told a consistent story from start to finish...now THAT would be entertaining, I'd think.

Once I finish this difficult Esca AMV, one idea I've always wanted to product is a big, huge, multi-editor Mecha video. Not just one series. Multiple themes and concepts, a plotline between series and nicely integrated scene classes. But how footage collection going to be managed?

Using a web page of course, it can be complex, but the AniMix system does look impressive and simple.

Are semi n00bs (2-3 vids) "allowed" to do this stuff? Or am I going to be ditched?

In related news:

Most people can't pay attention to more than 4 layers of audio and 5 layers in 2 regions of video.
But that doesn't change the fact that it's impressive when you use .NET, AVISynth, and Windows Media to generate simultaneous dynamic CVS snapshots!

See the image for conceptual pic:

Each editor's footage suggestion gets it's own little box in the snapshot.
The Message function of AVISynth is fun too!

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:41 am

Dannywilson wrote:I even had one use Cinelerra I believe.

What a sicko. Whoever it was should be turned in.

Anyways,

Multi editor AMV making is NOT like managing people and projects in a corporation. God forbid if it was.

Everyone would be forced to do unpleasant, boring, and unnecessary work, to fulfill some bullshit bottom line, that barely benefits anyone, all while getting an unhealthy dose of "rah-rah!" bullshit.

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:48 am

danielwang wrote:
trythil wrote:
danielwang wrote:I really don't get this, though it's apparent you have much more experience than I do.
If that's the case, then that defeats the entire purpose of collaboration.
The points of collaboration in an multi-editor AMV are:

.....

Not to mention that forcing a similar style to all editors does not work well with points #1, #3, #5, and #7.

However, consistency isn't always a bad thing: a multi-editor AMV that told a consistent story from start to finish...now THAT would be entertaining, I'd think.
Once I finish this difficult Esca AMV, one idea I've always wanted to product is a big, huge, multi-editor Mecha video. Not just one series. Multiple themes and concepts, a plotline between series and nicely integrated scene classes. But how footage collection going to be managed?

Using a web page of course, it can be complex, but the AniMix system does look impressive and simple.

Are semi n00bs (2-3 vids) "allowed" to do this stuff? Or am I going to be ditched?

In related news:

Most people can't pay attention to more than 4 layers of audio and 5 layers in 2 regions of video.
But that doesn't change the fact that it's impressive when you use .NET, AVISynth, and Windows Media to generate simultaneous dynamic CVS snapshots!

See the image for conceptual pic:

Each editor's footage suggestion gets it's own little box in the snapshot.
The Message function of AVISynth is fun too!

This is all I have to say about the thread:

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:12 am

I hope danielwang doesn't use software to manage everything in his life:

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 9:08 am

kthulhu wrote:I hope danielwang doesn't use software to manage everything in his life:

That's Excel, you'd use Outlook for that.

Now, where to find some AMV creators who are willing to work on a mecha AMV after this...

FurryCurry · Post by **FurryCurry** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:30 pm

Thanks kthulhu, I was hoping there would be something worth seeing in this thread, and thanks to you, there was.

As for the topic, tl;dr & nwtt.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:19 am

danielwang wrote: Using a web page of course, it can be complex, but the AniMix system does look impressive and simple.

We use a xml "database", and some xsl scripts to generate the web page.

danielwang wrote: Are semi n00bs (2-3 vids) "allowed" to do this stuff? Or am I going to be ditched?

I think that managing such a project is not really related to your skills as a video editor. Of course there are technical things that you have to know, but E&A's guide has an answer for about each problem that might occur

The real problem is : all the participants

What I found difficult was to explain all the same things always and always (resolution, codecs expected, ...) and to keep the contact with people who totally forget that they're working on the project... (what do other "coordinators" of such projects think ? As far as I can remember, there was that kind of problem with MI2, and it is also the case for the DDR3

)

And for your automated system... I think it wouldn't work : participants have already technical difficulties with video edition, we can't add some project managment tool that only 10 guys on earth would understand, otherwise people wouldn't join the project...

But yes, the "old school way" of managing these projects has limitations...
Would it be possible to do an AMV that tells a story (something more than just random videos...), with many participants ? If your system allows that easily, I'd be courious to see that (and glad to participate)

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:37 am

ugg, daniel, just shut up. I'm surprised you can take all the shit you get from most of the people here and keep going. However, it is annoying. That's great that you can turn multi editor projects into CVS, that's great that you can turn amvs into opensource projects to be built, that's great that you can use asx files to branch amvs, but the thing is NOONE CARES. The betterness:complexity ratio in everything you come up with is just not high enough for anyone to give a shit. Try coming up with innovations to the current systems, or things that don't make no sense at all to us who aren't 14 year olds with an IQ of 10 million and only think in code. Make me hexvid. Then people will stop telling you to shut the fuck up.