Repeated clip scenes: They're Just Lame(tm)

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:28 am

VicBond007 wrote:You're allowed to break any rules there are, so long as you understand why they exist.

Couldn't have said it better myself... If only I wasn't so hung up on Originality though...

Warpwind · Post by **Warpwind** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:06 am

I'm still confused about what you are on about danielwang... oh well it looks like I'm no the only one

I was trying to work out if I had done something like that in my vid but I don't know. I used the same lip synced scenes overlayed/faded on different footage... but I flipped them and (there was 3) put them in a different order each time the chorus reoccured.

Are you talking about people using the same scene or type of scene when they have the same lyric line? as in a chorus?

Still what does it matter anyway... creators make vids for themselves not for anyone else or at least they should to my way of thinking

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:45 am

VicBond007 wrote:You're allowed to break any rules there are, so long as you understand why they exist.

Well, the fact that there's rules in the first place is kind of misleading.

"Do whatever you want with your AMV, but here's what you can and can't do." That just seems kind of shady to me.

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 12:17 pm

Warpwind wrote:I'm still confused about what you are on about danielwang... oh well it looks like I'm no the only one

I was trying to work out if I had done something like that in my vid but I don't know. I used the same lip synced scenes overlayed/faded on different footage... but I flipped them and (there was 3) put them in a different order each time the chorus reoccured.

Are you talking about people using the same scene or type of scene when they have the same lyric line? as in a chorus?

Still what does it matter anyway... creators make vids for themselves not for anyone else or at least they should to my way of thinking

Oh well.

I'm not specifically trying to declare this as a rule (I'm too n00b for that), however I'm just trying to get your opinions on quickly repeated scene classes. Here's an example:

During audio 0m35s and 0m37s, all the layers stop and you hear 3 quick, succint beats. That means vocals, xylopgones, etc, stop, then there's a quick percussive tap each 2/3s for 2 seconds...

You have found a clip that happens to be exactly 2/3s long, which consists of Character A smacking Character B, and you can sync the motion vector (the smacking) to the timing reference index (the percussive peak at 1/3s).

If it can fit in with the "plot", can you simply run the video clip quickly 3 times? I've notices in action vids "Kenshin - Kryptonite" it's not as effective as in ones with a "plot" or humour.

But say you also have other clips with this property, namely Character C pushing a button, pushing another button, and slamming down a switch. If you have that quick, succint drum beat 2/3s for 2s, and then put in clips 1/3s synced with button pushing, that matches the scene class and motion. Will that work?

If this is in the beginning of a song, or in the beginning of song after very slow intro, I also think the viewers might not be ready for a 40bps clip right after 7-second clip. Though using an entire 7 seconds for a clip usually isn't a good idea either...

Someone should write a guide: "There's ONE Right Way To Do AMV Timing (and not get flamed)". Ok, there aren't necessarily any rules, but it seems our critics at the Dot Org are very picky (Damn you star ratings!!!)

P.S.
Thanks Kai Stromler, Bishounene Stalker, et al!
I'll try those ideas on my next action vid.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 2:48 am

I "tripled" a clip the way you're describing, just to enhance a romantic moment. I thought it worked, but you can look at it and decide for yourself. It's at about 2:55 in this vid.

It's not something I would do too often unless the entire concept was built around triple-clips. Which might be an interesting experiment (?).

I've also done what Kai Stromler described and made long clips out of short ones. These were the rain scenes in the Utena movie; they're basically still pics with rain falling in front of them. I put three or four copies in line with crossfades to "smudge" the boundaries, and staggered the start/stop points to hide any cycles. Even still, this only works for so long.

nrjize · Post by **nrjize** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:11 am

VicBond007 wrote:You're allowed to break any rules there are, so long as you understand why they exist.

Rules... what rules?

For me its just common sense, though I know there are lots of ppl that make vids and don't pay attention to their senses so they dont realize they made crap. Im pretty sure I havent broken any of these "rules"....[/i]

as long as its accidental that you didnt notice you did something retarded I think its fine... but only if you fix it