DDR2 DVDs now re-available

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:18 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:Profiteering my left nut.

They need to sell a LOT more copies just to break even. Get your facts straight before you condemn someone who's losing money for you.

Right so they sponsored Iron Chef and are "selling" a product to recoup costs. Now, generally, a company sponsors a program with the hopes that through their involvement they will recieve positive advertisement and garner costumers or attention toward a legitimate product they offer or cause they support.

This DVD can hardly be viewed as a legitimate product.

Regardless of the "cause" a DVD that is sold at a cost beyond the material cost of the DVD is ethically wrong.

Indeed, did all of the creators who worked on this project give permission for the use of their work on this DVD for this purpose. Seriously, do AMV creators get a cut of the "profits" given to them to cover their own costs? Given the line of arguments in support of the cost of this DVD the creators should also be getting a cut to recoup their own expenses.

Kusoyaro · Post by **Kusoyaro** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:41 pm

earthcurrent wrote: Right so they sponsored Iron Chef and are "selling" a product to recoup costs

They're not. Their Iron Chef loss is their loss. Right now they're just trying not to ALSO lose money on the DVD.

earthcurrent wrote: a DVD that is sold at a cost beyond the material cost of the DVD

It's not.

earthcurrent wrote: is ethically wrong.

Therefore, it's not.

Are you people not listening? They PRINTED the DVDs. That's enormously expensive for a small batch. Now, you can say that it was UNWISE to have the DVDs printed, but that doesn't make it wrong.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:44 pm

So essentially they made a bad business mistake and I should feel some sort of pity for them then...

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:50 pm

It's just the expertdv guys going to the effort of making a real pressed DVD for the project and selling it at cost in order to get an advert or two in there. Is there anything wrong with that?

I don't see any pleas for pity. It's an honest product, you either buy it because you'd like a pressed dvd of the project or you go and download it. It's your choice, there's no need for arguments over ethics as there aren't any in question here.

Chaos Angel · Post by **Chaos Angel** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:06 pm

earthcurrent wrote:Regardless of the "cause" a DVD that is sold at a cost beyond the material cost of the DVD is ethically wrong.

Selling anything at cost is impossible to do and still stay in business. You wouldn't call ADV and demand to get Evangelion at the price it cost them to print the DVDs (not and not get laughed off of the phone at any rate).

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:25 pm

Chaos Angel wrote:
earthcurrent wrote:Selling anything at cost is impossible to do and still stay in business. You wouldn't call ADV and demand to get Evangelion at the price it cost them to print the DVDs (not and not get laughed off of the phone at any rate).

Yes, but they have legal ownership for North American distribution, so they could sell at a loss, or for X10 its realistic market value and I couldn't say much about it.

AMVs are fan produced, and the exchange of money for a "technically illegal" fan produced product shouldn't be involved in their distribution.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:33 pm

it's non-profit... what's the problem?

The reason they are doing this is to get some advertising - they aren't making anything out of the dvds themselves unless people decide to buy their products.

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:59 pm

Earthcurrent has a problem with the administrative costs.

Usually that's headed up by the distributor. Also the fact that it's a real company distro'ing the DVD. That there is no actual "cost list" that shows what's being spent.

Usually, like say for the AMV distro center or the DDR1 project or "This is Otakudom", there is a list like "It's $3 for a VHS tape and $5 for a SVHS tape and $4 for S&H". Or "Send us a blank tape and a bubble wrapped envelope with shipping included".

This is a $17 DVD that you don't know exactly where it's going. Also their page is like

ugly or something. They don't really give much info on the DVD either. There's a gammer mistake as well

Usually with a fan-based distro the person doing the distro swallows these "Administrative costs". Administrative I believe = time & energy that went into getting the DVD out and talking to the right people and setting up a website. But that was their deal, if they wanted to do it, they should have been prepared to swallow those costs.

I think it's a bad idea for a company to actually distro a AMV DVD >_> seems like a big legal sandwhich.

~klinky

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:00 pm

"gammer mistake".. - priceless

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 1:27 am

klinky wrote:Earthcurrent has a problem with the administrative costs.

Usually that's headed up by the distributor. Also the fact that it's a real company distro'ing the DVD. That there is no actual "cost list" that shows what's being spent.

Usually, like say for the AMV distro center or the DDR1 project or "This is Otakudom", there is a list like "It's $3 for a VHS tape and $5 for a SVHS tape and $4 for S&H". Or "Send us a blank tape and a bubble wrapped envelope with shipping included".

This is a $17 DVD that you don't know exactly where it's going. Also their page is like ugly or something. They don't really give much info on the DVD either. There's a gammer mistake as well

Usually with a fan-based distro the person doing the distro swallows these "Administrative costs". Administrative I believe = time & energy that went into getting the DVD out and talking to the right people and setting up a website. But that was their deal, if they wanted to do it, they should have been prepared to swallow those costs.

I think it's a bad idea for a company to actually distro a AMV DVD >_> seems like a big legal sandwhich.

~klinky

Thank you for putting my problems with this issue into far clearer words, Klinky, much appreciated...