Another source for footage

[ErMaC]

I did the original Panyo episodes for ANBU back in the day, up to like episode 11 I think. I resumed at episode 12 about a month ago.

The problem with Panyo is that the raws really DO look like ass when the screen gets going in high motion. The only available raws are MP42 CBR encodes, and they are quite subpar once action gets going - particularly in the opening sequence since there's usually a lot of high motion stuff. Warpsharp was the best way to mask that noise, but of course gives that painted/pastel effect in the process, so it was a tradeoff.

Now I've got better filtering available to me (remember the old panyo episodes were done like 9 months ago) and I can do a lot of temporal and spatial cleaning as well as a lighter warpsharp and achieve much better results. Then I can use XviD with b-frames and get vastly superior image quality in smaller filesizes. Works great, but it still can't compensate entirely for bad raws.

Finally, about Tenchi GXP - I have the TV raws for that show as well, and they have problems. First off they were done with DivX5.01 when it first came out, and it was using B-Frames (at least, episode 2 and up, the encode for Episode 1 was using DivX5.0 without bframes). DivX5 (any version) has very nasty looking bframes. They have lots of noise and many other undesirable image quality problems - that's why I don't recommend using divx5 + bframes. XviD doesn't have the issues in the good development builds.

And Finally - Chobits was not broadcast in widescreen originally. I know - I watched it raw on TV while I was in Japan. Much like Sugar The Little Snow Fairy the show was produced in widescreen, shown on TV in fullscreen in the first TV run, then shown in HDTV/Anamorphic NTSC on pay-broadcast and DVD.

[Ashton]

Except for the awful quality of the footage and the lack of personal intagrety. Thats all.

maybe YOU need to do a little more research .... you would be surprized at the quality that some people are acheiveing these days. and dont try and respond to this like you know what you are talking about .. I have seen DVD quality on plenty of downloadable anime to know that YOU are wrong. (not that i use that type of footage.) lol ... this scene is such a sham.

Hmm, well, aside from the fact that you are getting your ass handed to you by the communities ultimate technical guru (from whom, by the way, I learned everything I know just like most people here) the other half of the quote doesnt refer to the footage source. The personal integrity is about somebody macking a videos with clips they didnt ask permission to use(which is something everyverybody in this comunity has to deal with, to be sure -_-), didnt even pay for in the first place (compounding the previous grevience, and further stealing food from the mouth of the poor artist who made the anime) and using unknown source, encoded by an unknown person, for unknown reasons, and not giving them credit for the encode. Its just something that is bad all over, and I find it morally wrong. Thats my opinion, no generalization, what I believe to be the truth.

[Garylisk]

Finally, about Tenchi GXP - I have the TV raws for that show as well, and they have problems.

Hmm, the raws I have look fine with the exception of a few of them.

And Finally - Chobits was not broadcast in widescreen originally. I know - I watched it raw on TV while I was in Japan. Much like Sugar The Little Snow Fairy the show was produced in widescreen, shown on TV in fullscreen in the first TV run, then shown in HDTV/Anamorphic NTSC on pay-broadcast and DVD.

That's weird... I coudl swear that one episode of Chobits I have is wider screen and shows more picture.. I'll have to check. But hey, I can't really argue if you watched it on TV in Japan

[Garylisk]

Hmmmmm well this is very interesting... on the subject of Chobits. I checked my fansubs. Check this out and see if you can explain this. I know now it's not widescreen format, but something is weird.

Example #1: http://www.tenament.com/garylisk/cho/cho1.jpg - This image was taken from the beginning of the intro for Chobits episode 25, which in the case of my copy was done by A-F & A-N. As you can see, the screen capture is 640x480.

Example #2: http://www.tenament.com/garylisk/cho/cho2.jpg - This screen capture was taken from Episode 26 at the same point. This sub was done by AJ. Notice the fact that you see more of the picture, as if it's "zoomed out" from where the other video was. Also notice the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. If you open it in Photoshop and crop out the black bars, you get...

Example #3: http://www.tenament.com/garylisk/cho/cho3.jpg - A resolution of 640x432.

Now why is that? I imagine it has something to do with television resolution not being the same as computer resolution or something like that. It's late, and I don't feel like doing any research on it, but it's kind of curious. Do you think that the people who captures the raws of the other episodes cut off the sides of the screen to make it 640x480 so it would look better on a computer or something?

Just wondering...

If the links don't work, it means that Tenament is down.. again.

[Freako]

Hmm, well, aside from the fact that you are getting your ass handed to you by the communities ultimate technical guru (from whom, by the way, I learned everything I know just like most people here)

no offense to anyone here , especially Ermac (because he probably does know a hell of a lot more than me ) , but just because he is the tech guru here , doesnt mean he has the best encodes.

[jbone]

no offense to anyone here , especially Ermac (because he probably does know a hell of a lot more than me ) , but just because he is the tech guru here , doesnt mean he has the best encodes.

Nobody's talking about "TEH BEST ENCODES EVAR," we're talking about good ones vs. bad ones.

[Freako]

LOL ... lets not fight over this anymore ... kinda stupid when you think of it.


we all use DVD source for our videos anyways , right? hehehe

[klinky]

The point I am trying to make is that the point of this thread is pointless.


There are plenty of asswhiches out there who can screw up perfectly good DVD footage and make it look like ass. They're the same asswhiches who try their hand at poorly encoding anime.

There is NO way you're going to find out if they used downloaded RAWs or just really fucked up when trying to encode.

Unless of course there is a giant logo on it that gives it away.

Also the fact that GETTING RAWS IS TEN TIMES AS HARD AS GETTING A FANSUB. Getting fansubs ain't the easiest thing for everyone either :\

It's wrong to use footage you have not paid for, but there is no need to blurt to the world that you're thinking of doing it. That's like standing outside a bank. Yelling "I am going to rob this bank!", then going in a doing it


~klinky

[Yggdrasil]

I use only DVD footage. Now where the DVD comes from is sometimes questionable... I own a LOT of anime DVDs, but some I don't, so I rip them from the stuff I borrow or rent. Some of those are those HK DVDs, but hey... the footage is there.

Azumanga Daioh is a primary example, since that one kept popping up in the discussion earlier (and it happens to be one of my top 2 anime choices). Since there is obviously no Azumanga Daioh in the States, and the "initial pressing" of it in Japan was so limited (and expensive), my sourcing of it is from the HK version. Looks great. Still looks great even as I am looking at it now. MAN that is a funny show.

Thanks for the mini-tips throughout the flames on how to get a little better filesize into my videos... going to have to check into these and see what happens.

Just dropping in my two cents worth...

[Fungie½]

When I do an AMV, I try to use DVD most of the time, unless isn't out in the US. Here are some options that I've chosen:

1. Ask the person who fansubbed the series for some raws ^^ It never hurts to ask.
2. Try the "Logoaway" filter with VirtualDub.
3. Order region 2 DVD's ^^ They are so pretty looking, and even though they are quite expensive, they make up for it.
4. Use "HK DVDs" as footage. Though they aren't the greatest, they don't have subs.

Hope everything works out ^^

--Daniel