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klinky · Post by **klinky** » Wed Dec 25, 2002 8:15 pm

What isn't the site called CartoonMusicVideos.com or JapanimationMusicVideos.com :O

Anime is not to be taken in it's literal translation. It is a genre that includes and excludes certain forms of animation from Japan. It's like the english language ^_^. There are rules and factors that determine if it's "cartoon" or "Anime". :O

Bah

Specifically, we can call Evangelion anime... But we don't call G.I. Joe or Ninja turles Anime, they're called cartoons. :O

In fact if you said "Let's go watch Saturday Morning Anime" you'd look stupid.

We're in America, not Japan. Anime does not mean Animation. :O - bah

~klinky

leathelanime · Post by **leathelanime** » Thu Dec 26, 2002 5:34 am

you know whats funny though? Saturday morning Cartoons is already Saturday morning anime...that's all I see on the Fox Block...but seriously...dont be a uber geek and rebel again someone elses opinion...If you think it's Anime fine...if you know it's anime but would rather call it Cartoons fine. Just be a fan and STFU

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Thu Dec 26, 2002 6:06 am

That evangelion is some cartoon.
That trigun is some cartoon.
Bebop was a great example of cartoons.

>_<

Gah :O

I am not rebeling it's slang, a term for "certain types of japanese animation". This is in the Klinksters dictionary volume 2.5.

Buy it at your local bookstore for $55.95 USD, $3000 CDN(because your money is about as useful as toliet paper).

~klinky

Chaos Angel · Post by **Chaos Angel** » Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:57 am

You have to understand the sense in which the term is being used. Most words or phrases in American English, if not all languages, have both objective and subjective meanings. Objective, or literal, is the dictionary meaning of the phrase, the "official" meaning of the word. To use the objective meaning of, lets say, "anime" is to define it as, roughly, any form of animation regardless of genre, style, or country of origin. Anime in the objective sense is animation, period, regardless of whether or not it is intended for adults or children, and whether it is Hellsing or Spongebob Squarepants.

The subjective, or cultural, meaning of the word is the definition given to it by society over years of use and cultural translation. It is the meaning, not necessarily recognized as "official", but recognized as carrying the implications and meanings of it's actual usage in society. "Anime" in the subjective American sense (for in Japan it is, I believe, used in the objective sense) is animation that originates in Japan, regardless of genre, style, or construction. So, in the American subjective sense, Azumanga Daioh and Hellsing are anime, but Spongebob Squarepants and Aqua Teen Hunger Force are not.

"Cartoon" is objectively defined as animation, period, just like anime. However, the subjective meaning of cartoon, given to it over time in American societal usage, is a medium intended for children. Cartoona are animation, but it is viewed as being just for children. So, most people use the phrase cartoon subjectively, to mean children's programming that happens to be animated.

I personally use cartoon and anime subjectively. However, in the quote up top, the man says about anime, "It's all just cartoons. Oh, but what glorious, wondrous, evolved cartoons." In other words, he is using the phrase known to most Americans as being childrens programming, and redefining it. He is saying that anime takes a medium viewed in America as being for children, and pushes it into other possibilities. Cartoons are for kids, but anime has multiple levels and genres, and anyone, regardless of age, can find an anime that they will enjoy if they search hard enough. He is trying to merge the two and get people to reassess their subjective definition of the word cartoon to stretch it beyond the realm of the child and into the realm of everyone.

darkyre · Post by **darkyre** » Thu Dec 26, 2002 2:45 pm

what he said..... 8)

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 4:59 pm

klinky wrote:What isn't the site called CartoonMusicVideos.com or JapanimationMusicVideos.com :O

Anime is not to be taken in it's literal translation. It is a genre that includes and excludes certain forms of animation from Japan. It's like the english language ^_^. There are rules and factors that determine if it's "cartoon" or "Anime". :O

Bah

Specifically, we can call Evangelion anime... But we don't call G.I. Joe or Ninja turles Anime, they're called cartoons. :O

In fact if you said "Let's go watch Saturday Morning Anime" you'd look stupid.

We're in America, not Japan. Anime does not mean Animation. :O - bah

~klinky

That's right this should be called japantoonmusicvideos.org And eva is still a cartoon albeit a weaker one plotwise than Gi joe who has Scarlett a much hotter red haired chick than say Misato.

Mr Oni

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:02 pm

Chaos Angel wrote:You have to understand the sense in which the term is being used. Most words or phrases in American English, if not all languages, have both objective and subjective meanings. Objective, or literal, is the dictionary meaning of the phrase, the "official" meaning of the word. To use the objective meaning of, lets say, "anime" is to define it as, roughly, any form of animation regardless of genre, style, or country of origin. Anime in the objective sense is animation, period, regardless of whether or not it is intended for adults or children, and whether it is Hellsing or Spongebob Squarepants.

The subjective, or cultural, meaning of the word is the definition given to it by society over years of use and cultural translation. It is the meaning, not necessarily recognized as "official", but recognized as carrying the implications and meanings of it's actual usage in society. "Anime" in the subjective American sense (for in Japan it is, I believe, used in the objective sense) is animation that originates in Japan, regardless of genre, style, or construction. So, in the American subjective sense, Azumanga Daioh and Hellsing are anime, but Spongebob Squarepants and Aqua Teen Hunger Force are not.

"Cartoon" is objectively defined as animation, period, just like anime. However, the subjective meaning of cartoon, given to it over time in American societal usage, is a medium intended for children. Cartoona are animation, but it is viewed as being just for children. So, most people use the phrase cartoon subjectively, to mean children's programming that happens to be animated.

I personally use cartoon and anime subjectively. However, in the quote up top, the man says about anime, "It's all just cartoons. Oh, but what glorious, wondrous, evolved cartoons." In other words, he is using the phrase known to most Americans as being childrens programming, and redefining it. He is saying that anime takes a medium viewed in America as being for children, and pushes it into other possibilities. Cartoons are for kids, but anime has multiple levels and genres, and anyone, regardless of age, can find an anime that they will enjoy if they search hard enough. He is trying to merge the two and get people to reassess their subjective definition of the word cartoon to stretch it beyond the realm of the child and into the realm of everyone.

As fans our goal should be to make it so people understand that Cartoons are not just for kids. That is the inherant flaw.

Mr Oni

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:06 pm

Mroni wrote:As fans our goal should be to make it so people understand that Cartoons are not just for kids. That is the inherant flaw.

Mr Oni

Yes, we must show that animation is for everyone and not just children and sick fucks who want to fuck <a href="http://home.attbi.com/~kthulhu5000/scar ... g">this</a>.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:23 pm

kthulhu wrote:
Mroni wrote:As fans our goal should be to make it so people understand that Cartoons are not just for kids. That is the inherant flaw.

Mr Oni
Yes, we must show that animation is for everyone and not just children and sick fucks who want to fuck <a href="http://home.attbi.com/~kthulhu5000/scar ... g">this</a>.

Ugh my eyes I AM BLIND!!! I HAVE SEEN HELLL!!!

Mr Oni