AMV flaws you want to admit

[Nya-chan Production]

Sorry for causing you guys trouble... didn't mean any harm.... its just I thought your ideas of a concept are just basically about storytelling...
So, if you focus on the sad moments of a character in an anime(like being tortured as a kid and how they turned out) , then is that a concept??

Yes.

A story is a concept. "I want to make an upbeat video from opening scenes" is a concept, damn, even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.

The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.

[Ikore]

even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.

nevertheless and obviously there are concepts stronger than others, it isnt the same to edit with "the idea of set a lot of character under real live footage" than edit "a bunch of opening scenes under trance music" , totally and completely different levels of concept that will end up in different realizations, and like in any other art, concept is subject to the viewer´s interpretation.

[dakotasapphire]

Sorry for causing you guys trouble... didn't mean any harm.... its just I thought your ideas of a concept are just basically about storytelling...
So, if you focus on the sad moments of a character in an anime(like being tortured as a kid and how they turned out) , then is that a concept??

Yes.

A story is a concept. "I want to make an upbeat video from opening scenes" is a concept, damn, even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.

The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.

Well, then I'm an idiot. All my videos actually have a concept I normally know what I want to do before I do it. Like, if its a sad song, I chose a sad anime, and I choose the right episodes with the right clips to go with the song.

[dakotasapphire]

even "I'll slap random clips on the timeline" is a concept.

nevertheless and obviously there are concepts stronger than others, it isnt the same to edit with "the idea of set a lot of character under real live footage" than edit "a bunch of opening scenes under trance music" , totally and completely different levels of concept that will end up in different realizations, and like in any other art, concept is subject to the viewer´s interpretation.

Yeah... I don't think its very smart to make an amv with just the openings of the anime... Itll end up looking like you didn't do any work at all on it(which you probably didn't... if you just used the openings)

[Emong]

Searching for a deffinition for what is a concept in an AMV is like trying to draw the line between what is art and what is entertainment. No matter how you do it you'll either end up as some kind of an elitist (with a very narrow and ultimately contingent deffinition for a concept) or you come up with a deffinition, which works all too well (when you define concept as an idea you'll end up covering everything with that deffinition). I think it would be better to leave this problem to an intuitive level, as the line between conceptual and non-conceptual AMVs is very vague and subjective, or just to recognize it as a false problem

[BasharOfTheAges]

No matter how you do it you'll either end up as some kind of an elitist (with a very narrow and ultimately contingent deffinition for a concept) or you come up with a deffinition, which works all too well (when you define concept as an idea you'll end up covering everything with that definition).

Since the parallel to defining art was drawn, the same problem exists there. Modern artists concerned more with their own popularity by being strange and different and "pushing boundaries" have broadened the definition so much that it's a useless label that applies not only to every thing, but every action.

I suppose a better criticism to make, therefore, would be that a video lacks a solid or readily definable concept, not one entirely.

Alternatively, because we all like analogies, what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing? We have a word we can use, drawing, that implies some sort of focused intent and another word, scribbling, that implies a lack of focused intent. I use the example of a 3 year old here to make it painfully simple (they lack the focused intent to be drawing), but anyone can choose to draw or to scribble. Ascetically, drawing is more pleasing to a viewer than scribbling would be, and some people completely suck at drawing so it doesn't make much of a difference which they're doing - the end product is a mess.

Judging by the amazing powers of mental prowess I'm seeing in this thread, I think some people would just be eating the crayon though...

[Nya-chan Production]

No matter how you do it you'll either end up as some kind of an elitist (with a very narrow and ultimately contingent deffinition for a concept) or you come up with a deffinition, which works all too well (when you define concept as an idea you'll end up covering everything with that definition).

Since the parallel to defining art was drawn, the same problem exists there. Modern artists concerned more with their own popularity by being strange and different and "pushing boundaries" have broadened the definition so much that it's a useless label that applies not only to every thing, but every action.

I suppose a better criticism to make, therefore, would be that a video lacks a solid or readily definable concept, not one entirely.

Alternatively, because we all like analogies, what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing? We have a word we can use, drawing, that implies some sort of focused intent and another word, scribbling, that implies a lack of focused intent. I use the example of a 3 year old here to make it painfully simple (they lack the focused intent to be drawing), but anyone can choose to draw or to scribble. Ascetically, drawing is more pleasing to a viewer than scribbling would be, and some people completely suck at drawing so it doesn't make much of a difference which they're doing - the end product is a mess.

Judging by the amazing powers of mental prowess I'm seeing in this thread, I think some people would just be eating the crayon though...

OMNOMNOMZ :3

Btw, I like to scribble to come up with idea, which I then draw ^^

[l33tmeatwad]

Judging by the amazing powers of mental prowess I'm seeing in this thread, I think some people would just be eating the crayon though...

[Ikore]

what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing?

he wants to have fun!

Spoiler :

[JaddziaDax]

The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.

I disagree, because you can come up with a concept while editing, thus many IC videos were born.