So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the way

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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Post by mirkosp » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:20 pm

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BasharOfTheAges wrote:So... this ban... is it on the production of within the city, or the sale of within the city? I honestly don't see the problem if it's the former - real estate prices are a lot lower outside of Tokyo anyways. If they're that adamant about cutting off their nose to spite their face, then more power to them. When the jobs go elsewhere, they're really going to have to explain themselves to their constituents.
This is not a ban. This is a bill about further regulation. If you want to understand what is really going on with this read Dan Kanemitsu's blog posts.

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/
Thanks for the link, that's an interesting read. Going through the whole blog, I'll be sure to share. I don't like the articles going around on sites like SC and so on as I believe they are just misinformation... or outright disinformation, perhaps.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Post by outlawed » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:34 pm

mirkosp wrote:Thanks for the link, that's an interesting read. Going through the whole blog, I'll be sure to share. I don't like the articles going around on sites like SC and so on as I believe they are just misinformation... or outright disinformation, perhaps.
Sankaku Complex has pretty much been open and honest in their style and intent from day one at least. They are a sleazy tabloid site. The difference between them and gawker sites (like deadspin or kotaku) is that at least SC is better at trolling their own readers while being funny. Ultimately they are tabloid rags intended to generate page hits.

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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:39 pm

It seems like it's a big enough deal that just about every major producer is saying it's boycotting the Tokyo International Animation Fair over it. I can see people painting this as some big anti-loli thing, but the producers are certainly seeing it as a very vague law that essentially prohibit reclassify as 'no different than porn' any fan service or even romance story lines ultimately involving sex if any character is under a certain age (or if they're not human). Based on earlier quotes on that blog by Governor Ishihara I'd wager some of this fuss is over possible state-sponsored censorship of gays as well.

EDIT - yea, this definitely seems to have a strong anti-gay agenda about it. It restricts non-explicit sexual conduct between people that could not legally be married.
As a consequence, it also sets up possible vetos if the guy is under 18, if the girl is under 16, if either is under 20 and the parents don't approve, if either party is currently married, if the woman was divorced less than 6 months ago, if 3 or fewer degrees of separation by blood exists (including adoption), etc. Now, The law doesn't allow you to marry non-humans, robots, spirits, or, to break the 4th wall entirely, fictional beings.

EDIT2 - looks like it finally did pass today. And @outlawed: semantics. it's a defacto ban. If I take away your ability to sell your mass-market product in the markets that made it mass-market in the first place, then I have, for all intents and purposes, shut you down. You can't be financially viable anymore with your previous line of work which relied on volume of sales to pay for production costs. I have artificially restricted the market to ban your work from the audience it previously held and thus shut you down entirely. It's very similar to the concept of a chilling effect.

Clever law makers know to outright ban something without near universal support is really dangerous. Such overt actions spark vocal outrage and protests. More clandestine actions that accomplish the same goals through natural economic forces and economic realities and allow you to feign ignorance and suggest your detractors are paranoid nut-jobs until your endgame is realized. Such actions are usually done with restriction of sale or taxes.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Post by MycathatesyouAMV » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:27 am

Wouldn't this ban stuff like Azumangah Daioh because of the school uniforms ._.

And it talks about anything encouraging crime would be illegal, so wouldn't that affect alot of stuff like Naruto, Akira, DBZ, Death Note etc.
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Post by ZephyrStar » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:04 am

And nothing of value was lost. :amv:

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Post by Jasta85 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:38 pm

ZephyrStar wrote:And nothing of value was lost. :amv:
the problem is that the wording is so vague that it can apply to most anime period. even school rumble could technically be banned as it shows kids in swimsuits and there is one notable character who is obsessed with stealing woman's underwear and grabbing boobs lol. There are some production companies who are refusing to publish works that involve highschool life PERIOD just because they are worried that they might somehow violate the ban.

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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Post by Sukunai » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:16 pm

It's all about the reaction of the sources.

And it would not be the first time a commercial operation just decided to go the easy route and ditch stuff as being the easier option.

It's right up there with anal levels of zero tolerance just to be safe from being sued.

No one wants to put a lot of time and money and effort into something and then find out it has been labeled in a way that kills the whole point of the product.

Sure you can sell outright porn variations of things, but, maybe you don't want your product in a porn friendly environment.

Disney for instance, oh there is no way they want to be labeled adversely. Which explains why their product looks the way it does.

Wizards of the Coast has taken D&D and turned it into such a fine family friendly game.

Sometimes change is good and sometimes not.

It's mostly a given, that a LARGE swath of anime would never have seen the light of day, if this whole process had happened in 1995 instead of 2010. Or at least a large swath of anime would have been radically altered.

My first anime of note I liked was Ranma 1/2. Good luck getting that out untouched. It was fine though for the late 80s early 90s.

Times change. Just watched ep 12 of Yosuga no Sora. That series likely has just about every element you'd need to get banished to a porn store now.
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Re: So the Tokyo Ban passed, oh that noise it whining by the

Post by mirkosp » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:15 pm

Glitzer wrote:This video says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkZDTCsytAo
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Post by Sukunai » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:19 pm

Video was certainly funny :)

I hear the PM though, is planning to just squash the bill whether or not Ishy baby likes it or not.
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