Commenting system outdatted?

[dokidoki]

Because every indication is that this person is an extreme outlier. Normal people, even normal youtube users, do not casually break the hundred-video barrier. When the fiftieth user with more than a hundred videos on local joins, I'll grant you your point.

After looking it up, there appear to be eight people with over 100 uploaded videos. That's one or two per year of LOCAL existence. (In each case, the average size per video was <50MB)

Also, overall uploads are declining per year, with under 4000 uploaded so far in 2009. With around 5TB free, if that number were to hold, there's enough space for over a decade.

[BasharOfTheAges]

Because every indication is that this person is an extreme outlier. Normal people, even normal youtube users, do not casually break the hundred-video barrier. When the fiftieth user with more than a hundred videos on local joins, I'll grant you your point.

After looking it up, there appear to be eight people with over 100 uploaded videos.

Next time I see OFL I'm referring to him as one of the elite 8. In the most condescending way possible.

[dokidoki]

Next time I see OFL I'm referring to him as one of the elite 8. In the most condescending way possible.

He only has 86 uploaded. Some of his are in/direct, and I believe collabs are only counted against the uploader's stats.

[Kionon]

Kionon: I don't expect you to come up to date to this year, but could you at least join the same century the rest of us are living in? The 90's are dead.

What are you talking about. It's still 1989.

[Knowname]

Because every indication is that this person is an extreme outlier. Normal people, even normal youtube users, do not casually break the hundred-video barrier.

that may be true (I kinda' doubt that, on YT, this is the case but...) but there are a TON more users there who think they can spit a video out in a couple hours and be done with it! I just don't see how we can take the place of YT when many of their users are coming over here. We must make it clear to them that we are NOT YTT, we DO NOT want and CAN NOT have the attention and legal issues that YT gets. I do NOT want this new stream of users to bring us down

When the fiftieth user with more than a hundred videos on local joins, I'll grant you your point. Until then, this is an extreme outlier case that cannot be used as the harbinger of any particular trend.

So your gonna wait till AFTER the fact to fix it? Your gonna wait till Phade gets fined 3 million dollars (and Piratebay got off cheap if you ask me) for copyright infringement and abating a crime then your gonna sit at home and think 'well maybe if we did this...' :/

overall uploads are declining per year, with under 4000 uploaded so far in 2009. With around 5TB free, if that number were to hold, there's enough space for over a decade.

that is true but if left unabated stunts such as these won't be very kind to our servers to say the least. As I said, the org has always had a reputation of being for the 'elite' right now ppl are still struggling with avis, we've been using mp4s for 2, 3 years now. The norm, in fact the EXPECTED media of uploads has been mp4s for a while now, how many of this girls' amvs are mp4s? none, out of like 20 uploaded. If that is what we can expect multiplied by the dozens of immigrators we get from YT then get ready for those HDs to fill in HALF the time due to the inferior encodes alone! And you don't expect to only get 4000 uploads next year IF a bunch of Yootubers add on do you? Never mind the original users we'll have at LEAST 4000 plus maybe... 1500 BADLY ENCODED videos next year? Double that second number since their badly encoded and you get 7000 nearly twice as much. Something too worry about? maybe not, maybe. But it won't last us no 10 years. Things like these tend to propigate not wait till we're ready for them.

[Kai Stromler]

there are a TON more users there who think they can spit a video out in a couple hours and be done with it! I just don't see how we can take the place of YT when many of their users are coming over here. We must make it clear to them that we are NOT YTT, we DO NOT want and CAN NOT have the attention and legal issues that YT gets. I do NOT want this new stream of users to bring us down

The first point is true. To the extent that the second is true, what we would be seeing is a reversion to the state of things in the period 2003-2006, when we had local and YouTube didn't exist. We would only be getting AMV ediors and viewers, not idiots who rebroadcast fansubs/streams/official releases. Somehow, we survived back then, and while we had legal issues, they were resolved without lawsuits.

Your gonna wait till Phade gets fined 3 million dollars (and Piratebay got off cheap if you ask me) for copyright infringement and abating a crime then your gonna sit at home and think 'well maybe if we did this...'

Where are you getting this from? The concern about "50 users with 100+ local uploads" is in relation to this being a technical problem, not a legal one. The legal problem is there with one AMV on local or a hundred thousand. Should another 40 users, in addition to the 8 alluded to by doki, the one dude already mentioned by name, and myself, within the next year go over 100 locally-hosted videos, I and likely the admin team will admit that this influx that you're hyperventilating about is actually happening, and may be something to become concerned about.

It's not going to happen, though.

if left unabated stunts such as these won't be very kind to our servers to say the least. As I said, the org has always had a reputation of being for the 'elite' right now ppl are still struggling with avis, we've been using mp4s for 2, 3 years now. The norm, in fact the EXPECTED media of uploads has been mp4s for a while now, how many of this girls' amvs are mp4s? none, out of like 20 uploaded. If that is what we can expect multiplied by the dozens of immigrators we get from YT then get ready for those HDs to fill in HALF the time due to the inferior encodes alone! And you don't expect to only get 4000 uploads next year IF a bunch of Yootubers add on do you? Never mind the original users we'll have at LEAST 4000 plus maybe... 1500 BADLY ENCODED videos next year? Double that second number since their badly encoded and you get 7000 nearly twice as much. Something too worry about? maybe not, maybe. But it won't last us no 10 years. Things like these tend to propigate not wait till we're ready for them.

Should the following things be true, we might have a problem:
1) A historically unprecedented number of people make a historically unprecedented number of videos in a short time.
2) A significant number of these people eschew the speed and simplicity of the YouTube upload process to take the relatively more complex and time-consuming step of publishing their work on the .org, and actually follow through with publishing all of it.
3) Too few of them donate relative to their uploaded throw weight to allow for an upgrade path.

Only the third is likely in any realistic sense. The most likely case is that, absent another significant dislocation, equivalent to YouTube effectively ceasing to exist for AMV purposes, current trends will continue. Uploads per year will continue to drop, along with downloads per week. Take a look at any random week on the star scale this year and see how many videos had at least 80 stars that week. Then take a look at the same week from 2006 and marvel at the difference. I agree that complacency is death to any DIY endeavor, but things may not really be as black as they get painted sometimes.

--K

[Knowname]

Your gonna wait till Phade gets fined 3 million dollars (and Piratebay got off cheap if you ask me) for copyright infringement and abating a crime then your gonna sit at home and think 'well maybe if we did this...'

Where are you getting this from? The concern about "50 users with 100+ local uploads" is in relation to this being a technical problem, not a legal one. The legal problem is there with one AMV on local or a hundred thousand. Should another 40 users, in addition to the 8 alluded to by doki, the one dude already mentioned by name, and myself, within the next year go over 100 locally-hosted videos, I and likely the admin team will admit that this influx that you're hyperventilating about is actually happening, and may be something to become concerned about.

It's not going to happen, though.

What? Do you not believe the tech site I linked to? Sure their not CNN but TechRepublic or whatever site I linked isn't a tabloid place, tons of stories have been broken there. I can also link you to a dozen or more sites covering this story! Where am I getting this from?? The internet you heard of it?? .

And then you repeat yourself from the last post saying you won't do anything until AFTER the fact. Grow some balls Sally.

if left unabated stunts such as these won't be very kind to our servers to say the least. As I said, the org has always had a reputation of being for the 'elite' right now ppl are still struggling with avis, we've been using mp4s for 2, 3 years now. The norm, in fact the EXPECTED media of uploads has been mp4s for a while now, how many of this girls' amvs are mp4s? none, out of like 20 uploaded. If that is what we can expect multiplied by the dozens of immigrators we get from YT then get ready for those HDs to fill in HALF the time due to the inferior encodes alone! And you don't expect to only get 4000 uploads next year IF a bunch of Yootubers add on do you? Never mind the original users we'll have at LEAST 4000 plus maybe... 1500 BADLY ENCODED videos next year? Double that second number since their badly encoded and you get 7000 nearly twice as much. Something too worry about? maybe not, maybe. But it won't last us no 10 years. Things like these tend to propigate not wait till we're ready for them.

Should the following things be true, we might have a problem:
1) A historically unprecedented number of people make a historically unprecedented number of videos in a short time.
2) A significant number of these people eschew the speed and simplicity of the YouTube upload process to take the relatively more complex and time-consuming step of publishing their work on the .org, and actually follow through with publishing all of it.
3) Too few of them donate relative to their uploaded throw weight to allow for an upgrade path.

Only the third is likely in any realistic sense. The most likely case is that, absent another significant dislocation, equivalent to YouTube effectively ceasing to exist for AMV purposes, current trends will continue. Uploads per year will continue to drop, along with downloads per week. Take a look at any random week on the star scale this year and see how many videos had at least 80 stars that week. Then take a look at the same week from 2006 and marvel at the difference. I agree that complacency is death to any DIY endeavor, but things may not really be as black as they get painted sometimes.

A good point that Sally brought up here... but I never understood HOW is the org's process of uploading a video so much worse than YTs? Is it the FTP or is it the announcing process? If a video is not announced does it then not exist? (hypothetical question) I don't think you know what your talking about Sally! You say no way the coarts will come after us when I provide a link to where obviously they can. You compare the now to 2005?? C'MON!! Where am I seeing that we have CLOSE to the same membership of 2005, and more important where am I seeing the QUALITY of ppl as that time. Nowhere, face it, the help forums is dead, the guide is in the grave and less and less mods are needed cuz the HOBBY (as we know it) IS DYING. We have almost NO leadership, those who are providing have been around for years I don't see the wonderful glitzy future that we saw in 2005. So, Kionon advanced, how is this 2005??
You don't believe there's any reason to worry. apparently your not one to worry about anything in the first place! I'm not predicting the end of the world, go ahead, do your thing. I did say the hobby will survive (if not in this thread in another one just like it) and that's pretty much all your concerned with.

[Kai Stromler]

I'm beginning to think you're continuing this exclusively to hear yourself talk, but for the sake of any peanut gallery I'm willing to give this one more go.

The concern about "50 users with 100+ local uploads" is in relation to this being a technical problem, not a legal one.

What? Do you not believe the tech site I linked to?

We are talking past one another. The risk of legal action is in no way related to the number of new videos added. This is an extant problem whether, as noted previously, there is one video on local or a hundred thousand. If this is a problem, it is new viewers that are the problem, regardless of how many videos they make.

I never understood HOW is the org's process of uploading a video so much worse than YTs? Is it the FTP or is it the announcing process? If a video is not announced does it then not exist? (hypothetical question)

This has nothing to do with announcements. The simple fact is that the .org requires you to go through a total of six pages (add new video->video info->music->anime->request upload->page with the upload info), several of which require you to add content in a sensical way, before your catalog entry is complete and you can start putting the video up. On Youtube, you're uploading the video while you fill out the metadata, should you want to fill out the metadata at all.

the HOBBY (as we know it) IS DYING. We have almost NO leadership, those who are providing have been around for years I don't see the wonderful glitzy future that we saw in 2005. So, Kionon advanced, how is this 2005??
You don't believe there's any reason to worry. apparently your not one to worry about anything in the first place!

1) We can't have new people coming in! Somebody might report us to the feds!
2) Ohnoes teh hobby is dying because people are quitting at natural rates of attrition and there's no new blood!



This sort of hyperventilation is why I was reluctant to reply again, because this makes this entire argument a pisstake (unless you're actually serious ). As I said in my last post, .org use is declining rather than increasing, and is likely to continue to do so absent some kind of dislocation equivalent to the Tube ceasing to exist. This is not 2005, and because the combination of circumstances that might lead to a reversion to the conditions from then that matter (no YouTube and an influx of people wanting to use local without donating their weight) are so completely nebulous, it's not worth getting worked up about. Sure, keep a weather eye on it, but srsly, now is not the time to panic.

As a last point, you're right, I don't worry. Risk is everywhere. When I go to work in the morning, I run a significant risk of getting spun out by some idiot and crushed into a beer can by a semi. I still make my commute twice a day. When I go out to shows, I run a significant risk of getting mugged en route or falling down and landing on a broken beer glass in the pit. I still go see live music. When I donate to the .org, I do so fully aware that I might have to answer to exactly those charges pointed out earlier, should things go colossally sideways, but I mail the check in anyways. Life is too short to let the fear of unlikely outcomes affect how you live it.

(ok, tl;dr over, not going to respond again unless someone raises an actual serious concern)

--K

[Kionon]

Uhm... Can someone explain what that sentence with my name it means? Because honestly, I have no idea what I advanced, and I wasn't very active in 2005, it was a dead year for me.

[Knowname]

I'm beginning to think you're continuing this exclusively to hear yourself talk.

Yeah, the peanut gallery needs no more help I'm pretty much done ^_^ that last post was a brain fart. No use arguing with a wall.

Uhm... Can someone explain what that sentence with my name it means? Because honestly, I have no idea what I advanced, and I wasn't very active in 2005, it was a dead year for me.

Because your stuck in 1989 and he's obviously stuck in 2005 .