Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

[trythil]

heh. you took an exr sequence into ae and forgot to bling the crap out of it with exaggerated depth of field and haze? shame on you sir



=D

I'll do that next time I work with OpenEXR sequences in AE. Even if it's not appropriate at all.

I guess those are also things I could do in Blender's compositor, though I don't often do it because Blender's DoF node can really drag down a compositor node network when you crank the sampling rate up, and there's no way to have a single instance of Blender do (say) rendering on frame n+1 while it completes compositing on frame n, as far as I know. You need separate processing units -- other cores, more computers, etc -- to do that, and I don't have those immediately available.

[outlawed]

Hey Trythil,

Awesome post. First time poster long time troller here!

Whoever made that 720p comment probably would rate 10 for audio that is clipping to all hell =p

Video Quality as a rating for web distributed videos is pretty much no longer as relevant a stat on this website. With as good as standalone/preset/canned encoders can be these days there's little technical knowledge needed to produce watchable results.

Most of the people encoding videos for internet release these days don't actually end up dealing with any complicated work. That is to say you don't actually edit interlaced anymore like everyone old school used to have to so you don't run into all the fun things we all had to do to get decent 320x240 MPEG-1 results in the pre-TMPGEnc era =p.

Let alone how to make analog captures workable when sourcing from 4th+ generation VHS tapes.

In short: There is nothing wrong with rating a 9 for video quality even when it looks GREAT because it is a stupid stat anyway. There is something wrong with being uneducated and thinking resolution means better video quality.

- COLOR SATURATION FO LYFE HERE YO

[Prodigi]

The replies in this thread made me epic lol. It's amazing how people automatically assume that we're all being "LOL ZOMG YER WRONG OUR VID IS SO AWSMS".

1) I don't think TestosteROS is that amazing, however its fun to watch and was fun to edit. It served its pupose for me.

2) I don't recall anyone in the TestosteROS thread bitching about other peoples comments about the video. I remember Jay countering someone's fucking retarded comments about the song/sources of the video, without making any comments at all about the video itself (I doubt they watched it). I also remember myself countering comments about 'effort', but this is something I have always done, because effort is something I've always felt should be left off the OP rating scheme, etc, because it is impossible to measure the effort put into a video unless you were, say, sitting with the person the entire fucking time. And even then nobody was bitchy, it was a simple case of "I disagree with this because of this, however if you wish to continue thinking it that's fine.

3) Uhh... what? This thread has nothing to do with TestosteROS. I don't think there's a single one of us who actually gives a crap about the op scores or the any of that junk. We just want people to enjoy the video. David was using it as a current example to bring up something he has talked about many times before. Hell, I remember him talking about something very similar to do with video quality when Todd and me were editing Camaro in Chicago. Also, David is one of the first people to hate on his work (which I don't agree with), so why would he take offense to someone giving him a 9? DEAR GOD!

4) It saddens me that people can't see a topic of discussion and talk about it without having to start tearing apart the example. It. Is. An. Example. Ignore the example, ignore TestosteROS, just talk about the goddam topic at hand. Honestly, you accuse us of being whiny bitches but all you're doing is tearing apart David's legitimate forum discussion with your whiny crap. I would absolutely guarantee you that if this MEP had not been done by the likes of Jay, Andre and Eric and had been done by complete n00bs no one had ever heard of this same thread would have a lot less hating in it. But no, you whine and cry and act like 12 year olds because its not possible they we can have polite discussion about criticism of the video. Good job guys. Good job.

[Knowname]

what's so fun about it?? lol no, j/p. that's the thing about meps. they rarely make a bit of sense. you don't even really have to watch them (which is why I came up with the pem idea that Kitsuner intentionaly or unintentionaly used in his retrospect video) they're just 'there'... like apple jacks and trix. I share in your joy MEP members!

[EvaFan]

This thread is overly redundant yet somehow managed to read most of it.

There is no such thing as absolutely 100% perfect video quality and even if there was, assuming it is achievable, how would you know when it's been achieved? Even if you used the perfect source there are countless options available to you with more being created daily to make it "better".

Furthermore, this thread is proof that this community is getting more and more critical of everything. It's what happens when elitism spreads in a community.

[Beowulf]

Furthermore, this thread is proof that this community is getting more and more critical of everything. It's what happens when elitism spreads in a community.

That sounds like something your kind would say.

[EvaFan]

Furthermore, this thread is proof that this community is getting more and more critical of everything. It's what happens when elitism spreads in a community.

That sounds like something your kind would say.

Right back atcha pal

[Beowulf]

Furthermore, this thread is proof that this community is getting more and more critical of everything. It's what happens when elitism spreads in a community.

That sounds like something your kind would say.

Right back atcha pal

oh cmon its a joke. I thought "your kind" would give it away. When was the last time someone said those two words in earnest?

On topic, I can understand why people think frame size and capture quality is a big deal. People who are becoming aware in this age are watching HD TV and Blu-Rays. There is a certain expectation of hi fidelity, rightfully so. Why should the media they watch on their computers be low res? You can even STREAM hi-def media from yew toob, so why can't we make hi def videos?

I know the limitations of course, and the availability of computer blu-ray players, blu-ray anime dvds, etc, but I can understand why people are going "EWWW THIS IS 720x480 GROSS.

On another note, dissing a video because its capture quality wasn't up to your par is probably the lamest fucking thing I've ever heard debated on these forums. The admins would do very well to remove the capture and sound quality scores from the site. These were very relevant indications of quality and the editor's dedication about 6-10 years ago. When you had to BUY a capture card, and capture clips, etc, but now everything comes from a DVD/blu-ray, so why bother? People know how to do it, the AmvApp has been around for 5 years, and most people don't have speakers/ears that can tell the difference between a 192kbs mp3 and a wav file.

Get rid of it. Its irrelevant

[Beowulf]

Furthermore, the addition of the capture quality score encourages people to make all their videos look the same, which kneecaps a GIANT artistic avenue for people to pursue in their videos.

Remember in like 2004 when all those bebop videos came out and they were all mfToon()'d to DEATH? Over-filtering is like doing a bad tit job on your video. Yeah it looks good, but its also gross. The same big black lines, the same solid gradients, and the same loss of finite detail in the line work. Am I the only one who notices this shit? It looks AWFUL!

[Qyot27]

Because it's relevant in a way:
http://www.mod16.org/hurfdurf/?p=13

If only those tips were more readily out there 5 years ago. Of course, I suppose we had to have gone through that warpsharp hell to even have discussions like that.