a disagreement

[Zarxrax]

MP3.com lost in court because they provided people with backups of music that the people legally owned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_v._MP3.com

[BasharOfTheAges]

Rulings regarding music (which is available for purchase when it comes out) and television (which isn't) are historically divergent.

IIRC a cable company was the one arguing the case for time shifting in a centralized location (Comcast was the other party involved if memory serves). Their competition (comcast) argued they did not have the right to do that because it was not for personal use since the person involved did not press all the buttons themselves. The judge disagreed and in his statement said something along the lines of "the person does not need to record video themselves to time shift if."

[Knowname]

isn't there licensed and unlicensed music as well? In my respect (I totally don't understand what bashar is saying >.<), that's why I specified unlicensed material. IE unlicensed songs that are wholly owned by the artist, not some lawyer box studio.

I was also under the impression that Japanese copyrights don't apply to those outside of Japan (not including non-Japanese citizens living in Japan)... ofc that sounds rather fishy...

[BasharOfTheAges]

I was also under the impression that Japanese copyrights don't apply to those outside of Japan (not including non-Japanese citizens living in Japan)... ofc that sounds rather fishy...

The Berne convention says they do, but most countries will not extradite a person for civil (i.e. non-criminal) matters.

As for what i'm saying, there's precedent for allowing a source that is not the person themselves timeshift television programs so that the person in question can watch them. It would not be much of a stretch with that precedent in place (assuming it wasn't overturned) to suggest that RAW capping is protected in the same way if it was done to fulfill a request (by individuals or groups - one of the side-issues with the case is archival of one copy for everyone to essentially share). Of course, this would hinge on the RAW caper not actually being in Japan at the time since this legal structure of protection is an American one.

[Knowname]

SO unlicensed anime + unlicensed song = fair use amv (ie technically illegal but you can get away with it in all but the strictest cases, ie throwing it on network tv or youtube...)

diy animation + diy song is the ONLY way to make a 100% legal amv correct?

[mirkosp]

diy animation + diy song is the ONLY way to make a 100% legal amv correct?

The Boom Boom Satelittes VJ Contests show that a completly legaly made AMV in the real world is possible.

That too.