The AMV half-hour show on the Anime Network

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:26 pm

There can not be a show dedicated to AMVs. It would open immense legal floodgates, both anime-wise and music-wise.

FirestormXIII · Post by **FirestormXIII** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:47 pm

My god, Jbone lives!

Nice to see you, man. Where've you been hiding?

Chaos Angel · Post by **Chaos Angel** » Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:50 pm

Come to think of it, I tried to start an AMV show on my campusese student-run Tv station about a monthy and a half ago. I believe the programming manager said something along the lines that they can only air about 30 sec under fair use.

However, JBone, we are not talking fair use, we are talking about obtaining permission for the videos which, while being unholy amounts of difficult, is possible. Only airing withOUT permission would violate copyrights.

FirestormXIII · Post by **FirestormXIII** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:40 am

I think everyone knows that it's possible to do, Chaos. But like you said, it would be unholy amounts of difficult. And I doubt the time (not to mention money) consumed on such an effort would hardly be seen as 'worth it' to those running the network.

It would be nice to see it happen. Sadly, it probably won't.

The Wired Knight · Post by **The Wired Knight** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:48 pm

Thinking about it, the closest we could ever do (supposing it is true about that 30 sec. fair use policy) is a preview and review show. Basically show thirty seconds of maybe six or seven different AMVs and critique them. However I doubt people would be tuning in for reviews and not for the AMVs themsleves so this would undoubtedly be unsuccesful. HoweverI do feel that this is the closest we could possibly wish for.

rubyeye · Post by **rubyeye** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:00 pm

The concensus is pretty much what I figured:

~ Great Idea ... BUT ... legal rights and money would be an issue.

At the very best, since the network is still in it's infancy, they could intersparse amvs between programs much like Cartoon Network does with those montage videos.

Using anime they already have the license for would not be a problem and more than likely what they would use. Anime soundtracks would also be a better source at the moment since ADV has also been releasing anime music CDs.

As for the acknowledgement of AMVs in general: Just look at the first issue of NEWTYPE USA (also published by ADV) ~ under the section called "Web Watch", there is a post to the web site - A NEWBIE's GUIDE TO ANIME MUISIC VIDEO MAKING (http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~mcantoni/m ... index.html)

That's a pretty strong indication that they acknowledge, and encourage, the creation of amvs since they put it in Print!!

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:09 pm

Hmm...I briefly looked through the newest issue I could find and I didnt' see that. I guess I'll have to go back tomorrow and actually read it

I think a way will be found to skirt the money issue. Maybe skirt isn't the right word, more like "solve the problem of the exchange of money." As it is right now, none of us are making money off of our videos. I don't see why we should receive any if they aired on TV. Also, we could have the commercials for the show be of the artists/anime that were in the videos played that episode. Or perhaps we could run the program like public access, depending upon the donation of the viewers to keep it on the air. All proceeds will go to maintaining the show, and nothing will be pocketed my ADV. Hell, some would be redirected to the artists, both musical and graphical. How does that sound?

Like the old saying goes, if there's a will, there's a way. I'm sure if we all wanted this bad enough, and we were willing to work towards it, we could find some way to get AMVs on the television, while keeping the RIAA and anime creators happy.

RichLather · Post by **RichLather** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:11 pm

These are nice thoughts, but any handful of lawyers could stomp it flat in a heartbeat. There are simply too many issues at hand, and too many rights holders to be consulted and hold their hands out for payment. What good is a commercial if the artists involved have no commercials to air, or if the anime used has no American license?

Any one of them could say "no" and the whole thing collapses like a house of cards. It is too much of a hassle for a fledgling network--which has yet to get on the air--to concern itself with.

Perhaps someday in the future an AMV show as part of a cable network's programming could happen, but I do not see it happening anytime soon. It is a legal Gordian knot.

AMVs, their fans and their creators must content themselves for the time being with their semi-underground status.

ZeWrestler · Post by **ZeWrestler** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:31 pm

when did they announce that they are starting an anime network. and would it show only their stuff or others as well??

RichLather · Post by **RichLather** » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:37 pm

One would assume that since it's ADV's baby, they'll get first crack at the programming choices as well (after all, they've got rights to it already, it's a slam-dunk to show it). I have no idea what kind of wrangling would be necessary to show other companies' products or other currently unlicensed shows (I'd love to see Star Blazers on TV again).

That said, I still want to know if they plan to show stuff uncut, or if it must be edited for television.