The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

Post by Bauzi » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:56 am

It's not up to me to make this decision. I just want to point out that there can be a big problem with the new goal of a-m-v.org.
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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

Post by Corran » Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:17 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:I am not against this, in fact. I was only arguing with the part that says that FTP alienates users and uploads ;x Why hide behind "FTP is bad" when you can say "Let's just let anyone to upload their Naruto x LP vidya here!"
Editing Skills != FTP Skills

An editor who choses not to upload because of having to learn yet another (and increasing esoteric) piece of internet technology may do so because they have decided that uploading here is not worth the hassle when other sites have easier upload methods. Note that this is a different mindset and type of user than the one that thinks "omg, it's too hard!" (a.k.a. "How the hell did they open their video editor in the first place" users.)
Nya-chan Production wrote:Also remember that you (and me too) will probably pay for the new storage when this stuff fills up the current one.
Not sure what you are implying here... Are you suggesting that no new users would donate and the current members alone would have to foot the bill for leeches? Or if considered with your "Naruto x LP vidya" quote, are you suggesting that more videos by future, currently non-existent users drawn here by the ease of uploading would be shit, not worth hosting, and thus taking up unnecessary space?

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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

Post by Nya-chan Production » Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:52 am

Corran wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:I am not against this, in fact. I was only arguing with the part that says that FTP alienates users and uploads ;x Why hide behind "FTP is bad" when you can say "Let's just let anyone to upload their Naruto x LP vidya here!"
Editing Skills != FTP Skills

An editor who choses not to upload because of having to learn yet another (and increasing esoteric) piece of internet technology may do so because they have decided that uploading here is not worth the hassle when other sites have easier upload methods. Note that this is a different mindset and type of user than the one that thinks "omg, it's too hard!" (a.k.a. "How the hell did they open their video editor in the first place" users.)
I see, that might indeed be true :<
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Nya-chan Production wrote:Also remember that you (and me too) will probably pay for the new storage when this stuff fills up the current one.
Not sure what you are implying here... Are you suggesting that no new users would donate and the current members alone would have to foot the bill for leeches? Or if considered with your "Naruto x LP vidya" quote, are you suggesting that more videos by future, currently non-existent users drawn here by the ease of uploading would be shit, not worth hosting, and thus taking up unnecessary space?
It's a general rule that the donations are mostly done by people who are longer on the site, use the advantages and want to keep them, though there are surely exceptions. Of course I have thought about increased donation flow, it's only a matter of ratio donations/uploaded data.
And yes, I am afraid that too many bad (mainly in: badly encoded) videos will take up the storage once the uploading is done via "click here". I have browsed YouTube and there are MANY of them (with their 2GB/15minutes ratio it's no surprise - you can basically upload a lossless there and no-one would notice). We have the advantage of not deleting AMVs, so people WILL come here. And we don't have Google's funds for storage space.
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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

Post by OropherZero » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:15 pm

vids on .org are relatively small. Let's just just HTTP $_POST in PHP who cares if the FTP is more suited as a file sending protocol =\ That way we can just one click submit. FTP shouldn't be external to the site, yes people can read guides, but really who will want to when they know that other sites offer one click by principle?

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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

Post by Corran » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:24 pm

Nya-chan wrote:And yes, I am afraid that too many bad (mainly in: badly encoded) videos will take up the storage once the uploading is done via "click here".
You could still enforce upload limits on filesize in a non ftp system.

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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Process

Post by JaddziaDax » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:36 pm

I think a click/browse upload system would be great.

I also like the idea of offering up a software suggestion for those who do want to learn FTP, the same way we offer up a program suggestion with the AMVAPP.

I wouldn't want to get rid of FTP entirely because I've grown comfortable using it myself, but I do think a simpler method for uploading than "go find a random ftp program and learn it yourself" would be better for the org.

I also believe we should keep the file size limits, with needing approval for over 100mb. I say this because it will push people to learn how to encode better. If they can't upload their file, then they will hopefully ask for help, thus helping them with their encoding skills.

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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Proc

Post by Tab. » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:14 pm

I was pointed here by godix and I'm much too late to catch up on everything, so I'll just say my piece here:
It'd be foolish to do a full rewrite from scratch in 2011 and not make a push forward into HTML5, especially for a site like this which stands to gain quite a lot. I don't know who all is working on the frontend for this redesign, but it'd behoove them to take a close look at the following:
http://www.w3.org/TR/FileAPI/
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/using_ ... plications
http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/html5-drag- ... -tutorial/
The file upload API is dramatically improved in HTML5 and should be capable of acting as a proper replacement for FTP.

Speaking of HTML5, I'm not really going to bring up the video tag quagmire other than to say that it should absolutely be taken into consideration throughout the design process for the future, even if the situation may be a sticky one at present.

How's the work force on this? I may not be the most active but I'd be glad to toss in my chips.
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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Proc

Post by Shin-AMV » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:23 pm

So I just spent an hour or so helping a person learn how to upload to the org, and I'm not even sure if they got through the entire process. I think the entire cataloging/uploading/confirming system needs to be condensed a little bit so its a little more intuitive, not spread across 6-8 different pages, and in general more user-friendly to what people have become accustomed to from other sites where they upload. Reading through the older posts and such I have to disagree with this aspect not being a priority, its one of the most common reasons I hear why people don't upload here is because the upload process just looks confusing, despite it not actually being that difficult once you figure it out. I think even simple changes like having all the catalog information being able to be filled out in one page, and then a 2nd page for confirming the upload would go a long way in easing the complexity of it all to new users.
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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Proc

Post by gotegenks » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:29 pm

i agree. improving the upload process is really the only necessity and the biggest thing keeping us down and members away.

if there was a browser-based client for ftp (not sure if there is one or not actually) then something we could do that i believe would work wonders is simply connect all the different items in the upload and announcement process. One link on the main page that says "Upload AMV" could start out with the info entry process, and then at the end have a link "click here to upload" and then that would lead you to the client where you could just drag and drop the video into it and wait for upload, then continue with the regular upload process and at the end of the upload process have a link that says "share your work" or something that would link you to a pre-filled new topic in the announcements (that you'd be free to edit of course) complete with title of the video in the subject, and the vidid thing in the body, because about a third of the announcements don't know how to do vidid's and almost always need correcting by kariudo. All they'd have to do then is hit submit.

That was most of my confusion when i first came here, having upload video and enter new video on two different pages. I didn't know wtf enter new video would be, i just wanted to upload! and that's what the new age of editors looks for when they wanna share their work. Then i have people telling me "i've had some videos up there for like a year and nobody's commented," which can be attributed to the forum being hidden away but also they might have actually been getting comments and don't know it because the quick comment and op alert feature is really screwy. when you reply to ops it looks like new ones have popped up :( but that's a totally different subject.

i think, at the very least, we just need to combine or somehow link the enter new video and upload video processes by way of a simple link at the end of the former, and name it all "Upload AMV." i don't think that'd take too much coding work, right?
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Re: The Org Redesign - Functions - Improving the Upload Proc

Post by Nya-chan Production » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:17 pm

Just adding a self note here - it'd possibly be wiser to use Flash-based solution ( like http://digitarald.de/project/fancyupload/ ), before switching to HTML5 - the penetration still isn't enough.
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