Eva...*Twitch*

[dwchang]

i was just wondering, in the last ep(or2nd to last) while shinji is having his
huge mindfuck in the insturmentality project he suddenly wakes up,in a somewhat alternate reality where asuka actually kinda semi hits on shinji and Rei-san is actually a normal high school student.
this brings me to my question does anyone think eva could have been better if it was done in that manner, ya know fitting in with more normal
anime guidlines instead of being so unique that it pushes the boundaries in such a religous and somewhat overall f***ked up manner(all the little mind trips).

keep in mind that this is not my opinion it is just a question that my curiosity spat out so don't flame me for it or anyting.

The short answer is no.

I don't mean to sound rude, but I think you totally missed the entire point of Evangelion.

You do realize that those "fucked-up mindtrips" were meant to be there. That Shinji's soul-searching and eventual self-discovery (of self-worth) is the entire point of the show and there isn't really a better way to end it then him overcoming his problems and wanting to live his life.

I guess you could want a trivial "story-driven" ending and that's why they made the movie. I might also add that you should be careful what you ask for (the fans) since Anno made EoE as one giant "fuck you" to the fans for rejecting his original ending. Given EoE ends the same and you do get the story elements, but it is obviously a lot more visually screwed-up and (possibly) confuses the viewer even more.

Also, you may want a traditional happy ending for Eva, but you fail to realize that all shows/books/stories/etc. are different and it'd be kind of stupid to wish for them all to be the same. That would make for a boring hobby ne?

I think you also miss the fact that the ending *is* happy (although a bit open-ended). Shinji comes out of Instrumentality realizing his own-worth (and to not grade himself by what others think) and comes back to our reality. It also leaves open the idea that *anyone* in the LCL can come back.

So in conclusion, the ending *is* happy and I think you are missing like 50% of what Evangelion is. I suggest watching it again. I do apologize if this comes across as mean, but I'm trying to help clarify things and I'll be honest, but I hate when people suggest things like a creator changing what HE wanted to do. And to a smaller degree all the blind ignorance to everything without thinking or asking about it.

[yuppa]

hmmmm when ya out it like that. i have to grudgingly agree. But what sort of life is it if ya came back? A dead world with no living things. just a sea of lcl. and corpse of lilith. I also wonder about someone saying there are no (real LIfe) AT fiellds. well its slightly correct. Humans have a EM field. And we need it to live. If it is suddenly nullified the said person would die. No idf and or buts. Rapid death. think of the Guy in indiana jones and the Last crusade. just slower.

[Nestorath69]

As much of a fan of Evangelion as I have been for the past few years, with all the Statues, Zippos, T-shirts, and Laptop carrybag I've gotten... I gotta say, Stop worrying about things that might be, about things that should be, when there's so much of "What is" that keeps us all occupied.

[gforcecm]

1 more long strip and i'll DO IT 'positions hangneck rope around neck' DONT MAKE ME !!!!!!!

[Jim Hawkings21122]

i was just wondering, in the last ep(or2nd to last) while shinji is having his
huge mindfuck in the insturmentality project he suddenly wakes up,in a somewhat alternate reality where asuka actually kinda semi hits on shinji and Rei-san is actually a normal high school student.
this brings me to my question does anyone think eva could have been better if it was done in that manner, ya know fitting in with more normal
anime guidlines instead of being so unique that it pushes the boundaries in such a religous and somewhat overall f***ked up manner(all the little mind trips).

keep in mind that this is not my opinion it is just a question that my curiosity spat out so don't flame me for it or anyting.

The short answer is no.

I don't mean to sound rude, but I think you totally missed the entire point of Evangelion.

You do realize that those "fucked-up mindtrips" were meant to be there. That Shinji's soul-searching and eventual self-discovery (of self-worth) is the entire point of the show and there isn't really a better way to end it then him overcoming his problems and wanting to live his life.

I guess you could want a trivial "story-driven" ending and that's why they made the movie. I might also add that you should be careful what you ask for (the fans) since Anno made EoE as one giant "fuck you" to the fans for rejecting his original ending. Given EoE ends the same and you do get the story elements, but it is obviously a lot more visually screwed-up and (possibly) confuses the viewer even more.

Also, you may want a traditional happy ending for Eva, but you fail to realize that all shows/books/stories/etc. are different and it'd be kind of stupid to wish for them all to be the same. That would make for a boring hobby ne?

I think you also miss the fact that the ending *is* happy (although a bit open-ended). Shinji comes out of Instrumentality realizing his own-worth (and to not grade himself by what others think) and comes back to our reality. It also leaves open the idea that *anyone* in the LCL can come back.

So in conclusion, the ending *is* happy and I think you are missing like 50% of what Evangelion is. I suggest watching it again. I do apologize if this comes across as mean, but I'm trying to help clarify things and I'll be honest, but I hate when people suggest things like a creator changing what HE wanted to do. And to a smaller degree all the blind ignorance to everything without thinking or asking about it.

chang i know what you are saying and after reading my post i can see how it may come across like that i thought describing them as "mind fucks" was the best way to give a blunt overview of what they were, so please understand i may not know every single facet of eva(although i do know alot in my op)i do understand and take to heart the TRUE meaning(self awareness/discovery/worth/etc.) of Eva, seriously i was in tears as the last eps played(especially rei(3's)-sans death and the last 2 eps with shinji and asukas' insturmentality projects.

So overall i just described them as mindfucks because to most(sad to say) eva fans the last two eps are nothing but mere random clips and alot of psycobabble crap, where as i see it as a beautiful process for the realization of self worth and awareness.

Also take note of the *disclaimer* i put at the bottom of my post, i was just throwing an idea out there asking what would eva had been like if Anno-san had decided to do it like that: a more typical anime.
to add to that i believe the unique way that he did it added to the series overall in my personal op and that is what continues to provide a solid base for new and old anime fans alike (and dare i say it may even touch them in a semi- spiritual way as it did me).

And thats my $0.02

[Fanboy_NOIR]

That scene is a ground for immense arguments on various anime forums, so I am going to call it my opinion. After all Anno said that Eva's plot is what you see in it. You cant get it wrong, you can just not get it.

I will agree that you can have your own opinion, HOWEVER (and this is gonna sound asshole-ish), but Gainax has explicitely said exactly what I summarized. I guess I'm lazy for not finding that card that explains this, but it explicitely explains that Shinji did this prove he existed and could "touch"/hurt another human being (which is the sign of a physical state and an AT field). Can't really argue with the makers right?

Fair point, however Gainax is not Anno. Now if the man himself would say so, thats a different story, but as i remeber correctly he completley refused to give his explanation of Eva saying something like: ''It will be what you want it to be''.

[Jim Hawkings21122]

LCL is human souls or something like that right(or their etherial councisness perhaps)

[Toecutter]

LCL is human souls or something like that right(or their etherial councisness perhaps)

No. LCL is the physical "stuff" that makes up life on the Earth (the whole primordial soup thing). The soul (AT Field) is what gives the LCL it's physical form. Life exists in the more complex DNA structure in the LCL, but it is the soul that organizes that LCL into a complex structure.

Of course, now the question comes down to this: how does evolution work with LCL and AT Fields?

[Mroni]

i was just wondering, in the last ep(or2nd to last) while shinji is having his
huge mindfuck in the insturmentality project he suddenly wakes up,in a somewhat alternate reality where asuka actually kinda semi hits on shinji and Rei-san is actually a normal high school student.
this brings me to my question does anyone think eva could have been better if it was done in that manner, ya know fitting in with more normal
anime guidlines instead of being so unique that it pushes the boundaries in such a religous and somewhat overall f***ked up manner(all the little mind trips).

keep in mind that this is not my opinion it is just a question that my curiosity spat out so don't flame me for it or anyting.

Stupidity is not pushing boundries Evas ending is for the type of person that liked space crack 2001 or whatever it was called. Eva would have been 3 billion times better if it had that plot you mentioned the Evas could have still been there and the plot too which could have had a much better ending maybe Shinji killing Gendo and stopping the third impact while he grabs Asuka and kisses her. Sorry Eva is one of the absolute shittiest anime evers and its only saving grace is the wackability of the girls before they and get shot and or become piles of goo.


Mr Oni

[Toecutter]

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: eva
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Jim Hawkings21122 wrote:
i was just wondering, in the last ep(or2nd to last) while shinji is having his
huge mindfuck in the insturmentality project he suddenly wakes up,in a somewhat alternate reality where asuka actually kinda semi hits on shinji and Rei-san is actually a normal high school student.
this brings me to my question does anyone think eva could have been better if it was done in that manner, ya know fitting in with more normal
anime guidlines instead of being so unique that it pushes the boundaries in such a religous and somewhat overall f***ked up manner(all the little mind trips).

keep in mind that this is not my opinion it is just a question that my curiosity spat out so don't flame me for it or anyting.


Stupidity is not pushing boundries Evas ending is for the type of person that liked space crack 2001 or whatever it was called. Eva would have been 3 billion times better if it had that plot you mentioned the Evas could have still been there and the plot too which could have had a much better ending maybe Shinji killing Gendo and stopping the third impact while he grabs Asuka and kisses her. Sorry Eva is one of the absolute shittiest anime evers and its only saving grace is the wackability of the girls before they and get shot and or become piles of goo.

Yuppa and I are talking about making an Eva fanfic. I sent him a few of my wacky ideas a couple days ago. If you want to get involved, send me a private message, or e-mail me (whichever you prefer). I've done some preliminary research into the Dead Sea Scrolls, but I still have to watch "A History Channel Special: Angels-Good or Evil".