Eva...*Twitch*

[Savia]

That explaination of Eva doesn't seem to add up.

First of all, Second Impact couldn't be caused by one nuke! Even our most powerful thermonuclear weapons couldn't melt the polar ice caps, and even if they did, the oceans wouldn't rise to wipe out all the coastal cities around the world. You don't believe me? Take an ice cube, put it in a glass of water, note the water level, and melt the ice cube. Note the water level neither raises or lowers! It remains the same, because the same mass of water exists. In the ice cube form, the ice displaces it's weight of water, because it floats. However, in it's liquid state, the water that makes up the cube displaces an equivalent VOLUME. Either way, the water level remains constant.

The polar icecaps melting is more of an issue because at the present time a very great volume of ice is above the water line. For a comparable experiment, try noting the water level of a glass of water, and then dropping an ice cube into it. Notice the change? Also, I believe that FANBOY_Noir actually stated that Seele decided just to 'nuke' the whole thing in the sense of 'blow it up' rather than specifically using nuclear weapons. I may be wrong here, but that's the impression that I got.

[MrScribble]

First impact wasn't the meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs, it was the meteor//comet that slammed into the earth and created the moon.

I don't remember where I read that, but I knew it was from an official source.

Very true, my mistake.

Actually they never explicitely say what is First Impact. It is debated that it could be one of three things:

1) The meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs.
2) The Flood during Noah's time - this did wipe out a lot of people like second impact
3) The crucifiction of Christ.

Could be true... If only I could remember where I got the comet//moon thing from...

[dwchang]

Also, I believe that FANBOY_Noir actually stated that Seele decided just to 'nuke' the whole thing in the sense of 'blow it up' rather than specifically using nuclear weapons. I may be wrong here, but that's the impression that I got.

Refer to my post. They didn't nuke it. The entire thing was a set-up and SEELE was in control the entire time. They've been in control from the very beginning and "win" in the end. They didn't nuke b/c they had no choice.

Again, they reduced Adam to an embryo and in turn this released a crapload of energy. Also, when we see that giant Eva (Adam), that was probably also set-up (like waking him or having him appear).

Although, regardless of the answer...it doesn't matter since the meaning is still the same and even with the story this is small.

[Fanboy_NOIR]

To answer ur post step by step:

First of all, Second Impact couldn't be caused by one nuke! Even our most powerful thermonuclear weapons couldn't melt the polar ice caps, and even if they did, the oceans wouldn't rise to wipe out all the coastal cities around the world. You don't believe me? Take an ice cube, put it in a glass of water, note the water level, and melt the ice cube. Note the water level neither raises or lowers! It remains the same, because the same mass of water exists. In the ice cube form, the ice displaces it's weight of water, because it floats. However, in it's liquid state, the water that makes up the cube displaces an equivalent VOLUME. Either way, the water level remains constant.

Know ye not antarctica is a landmass, not a floating hunk of ice?
NEXT!

Secondly, a nuke, no matter how powerful, wouldn't wipe out 3 billion human lives. We've been detonating thermonuclear devices for decades underwater, on land, and we've performed several air-burst experiments. A nuke couldn't cause Second Impact if we tried.

By saying ''to nuke'' i realy ment fecking around with S2 engine and causing a big explosion. Its just a shortcut - Savia noticed that ''it is in the sense of 'blow it up' rather than specifically using nuclear weapons''.
[btw - thanks Savia, dude! Or chick. Or whatever. Thx anyway!].You try explaining that after lots of writing and editing!

Thirdly, all the Eva websites I've found say that Second Impact was caused by the Katsuragi Expedition fooling around with S2 theory, trying to revive Adam. Lillith was found nearby, and taken away with all the records by Gendo a day before Second Impact. I've found no evidence to suggest that Adam crash-landed in the Antarctic via a meteorite, either.

From the interactions of Seele and Gendo in the series, it sounds like Third Impact/Instrumentality was their plan all along, as recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls. They knew mankind reached an "evolutionary dead-end", as they kept referring to it, and the only way to reset the clock was to cause Third Impact.

So, where do you get all this information? Is it from the manga, or are you just picking up some really bizarre shit from the tv series that I'm missing somehow?

The idea that Adam was in a meteorite came from my head, because otherwise it would be unlikely to pretend that antarctica was destroyed by one. Why was it not detected then by NASA or whatever?
The rest of invormation is based on series (how i saw it), End of eva audio commentary with Anno and various eva related websites (www.Evangeleon.tv, www.anipike.com (the eva section), etc)

[Fanboy_NOIR]

ok I will try to explain my point of view:
1)''I believe Mr. Scribble pretty much retorted your idea of the Nukes'' - I already explained what i meant by nuke - see prev post
2)energy that came from where? - Adms S2 engine! Hence the S2 theory!
3)

It didn't fail. The entire purpose was for Yui to inhabit Unit 01 so that it *could* have an AT field. They even say that she was smiling when it happened (the transfer of her soul). She wanted to be there so that she could help form the future. She wanted Instrumentality to occur too. You see her in the movie even saying all this. It was her purpose to do this.

Yui was not supposed to be trapped inside an Eva. Otherwise why did Gendo go on his crusade? Therefore the experiment was partialy a failure.
4)

Wrong again. SEELE intention from the very start is to start Instrumentality which is this LCL primordial soup you speak of. Gendo's purpose was quite simple, to be with Yui. He had no intention of helping humanity reach instrumentality. You have the two flipped.

You got me there. I should have elaborated in my explanation however i was too tired to go on. So to sum things up: Seele and Gendo were trying to achieve the same thing. But Gendo could not have been left in charge cause he was doing it for selfish reasons (see dwchang's explanation)
5)

He strangles Asuka to prove that he exists. That he can "feel" someone else and that he is in reality. This is explicitely shown on a Gainax trading card quote. I'd link it, but I've done it in the past, so you'll have to believe me. I'm sure everyone else has seen it since I've posted about this multiple times.

That scene is a ground for immense arguments on various anime forums, so I am going to call it my opinion. After all Anno said that Eva's plot is what you see in it. You cant get it wrong, you can just not get it.


P.S. I am sorry if I left soemthing out but I was tired on the day this was posted (now )

[Fanboy_NOIR]

Cmon people! ONLY 55 threads left to beat the pedofilic/rific ''sasami'' thread! Lock and load! Clearly our EVA thread is better! 8)

[Jim Hawkings21122]

i was just wondering, in the last ep(or2nd to last) while shinji is having his
huge mindfuck in the insturmentality project he suddenly wakes up,in a somewhat alternate reality where asuka actually kinda semi hits on shinji and Rei-san is actually a normal high school student.
this brings me to my question does anyone think eva could have been better if it was done in that manner, ya know fitting in with more normal
anime guidlines instead of being so unique that it pushes the boundaries in such a religous and somewhat overall f***ked up manner(all the little mind trips).

keep in mind that this is not my opinion it is just a question that my curiosity spat out so don't flame me for it or anyting.

[MrScribble]

i was just wondering, in the last ep(or2nd to last) while shinji is having his
huge mindfuck in the insturmentality project he suddenly wakes up,in a somewhat alternate reality where asuka actually kinda semi hits on shinji and Rei-san is actually a normal high school student.
this brings me to my question does anyone think eva could have been better if it was done in that manner, ya know fitting in with more normal
anime guidlines instead of being so unique that it pushes the boundaries in such a religous and somewhat overall f***ked up manner(all the little mind trips).

keep in mind that this is not my opinion it is just a question that my curiosity spat out so don't flame me for it or anyting.

I thought that part was really funny, and I would like to see some sort of OAV made out of it someday... sorta like Love Hina meets Evangelion.

In the end though I'm glad they made Eva the way it is... allthough Shinji should've had a bit more of a spine like in the manga.

[Milk-Toast!]

uhhhhhhhh the rath of the Eva lovers.....

[dwchang]

It didn't fail. The entire purpose was for Yui to inhabit Unit 01 so that it *could* have an AT field. They even say that she was smiling when it happened (the transfer of her soul). She wanted to be there so that she could help form the future. She wanted Instrumentality to occur too. You see her in the movie even saying all this. It was her purpose to do this.

Yui was not supposed to be trapped inside an Eva. Otherwise why did Gendo go on his crusade? Therefore the experiment was partialy a failure.

Well not exactly. Yes *to Gendo* it was a failuire, but to the overall big picture, this is what was meant to happen (same with Asuka's mother in Unit 02).

As I said earlier, Yui was smiling during the experiment and did it for the future of her child, Shinji and that of humanity. So within the context of the story and outcome, this was meant to occur. If unit 01 had no soul, all of this couldn't occur.

Also one might argue that they could put in any soul and sure they could, HOWEVER the reason Shinji can synchronize with his Eva so well (even the first time) is b/c he is the son of Yui and she is protecting him. This further shows why Yui had to do thi.

He strangles Asuka to prove that he exists. That he can "feel" someone else and that he is in reality. This is explicitely shown on a Gainax trading card quote. I'd link it, but I've done it in the past, so you'll have to believe me. I'm sure everyone else has seen it since I've posted about this multiple times.

That scene is a ground for immense arguments on various anime forums, so I am going to call it my opinion. After all Anno said that Eva's plot is what you see in it. You cant get it wrong, you can just not get it.

I will agree that you can have your own opinion, HOWEVER (and this is gonna sound asshole-ish), but Gainax has explicitely said exactly what I summarized. I guess I'm lazy for not finding that card that explains this, but it explicitely explains that Shinji did this prove he existed and could "touch"/hurt another human being (which is the sign of a physical state and an AT field). Can't really argue with the makers right?