Anime or Animes [linguistic discussion]

[Kajino Rei]

You know, Ive learn more about the languages of the world from this one thread then I did in four years of high school. You smart people rock!

Err, thank you. The MOD should really change the name of the thread now.

Never met someone that exited about people with brains.

[Kajino Rei]

Thank You God or MOD, didn't think people here listened.

I'm getting a little scared here...

[HeartbreakerByZep]

HeartbreakerByZep

But it is an english word. In Japanese, the word anime (pronounced correctly as the Japanese do) is a word for any animation. From commercails to Disney to Evangelion and anywhere else animation goes. However, in America, the word anime means animation from Japan, or animation that is Japanese. The meaning is different, so the word is changed.

You're right and wrong.

The word is entirely Japanese; the people in the West just gave it a new meaning.

So anime and animes can be viewed as different things, from a true purist linguistic POV.

Anime= animation in Japanese and in some cases the singular form of animes in the West.

Animes = plural of anime as known in the West.

Something like that.



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Ah back again.

Yes, the word itself is Japanese, but it is been Americanized, like many other words in both English and Japanese.

[Coaxel Ethereal]

I might be wrong in this, and if that’s the case I’ll chop my head off with my naginata to bring honor back to my name... if it ever had any.

But you all do understand that animated motion pictures were started in the states, right, or at least in the UK I forget exactly where. And the Japanese adopted there animation do to American way or drawing (betty boop I think was her name). If this was already stated I apologizes, I’ll read thru the posts one more time.

so it would be more correct to say that anime is the japanese was of saying an american word.

animes if grammatically incorrect by the way, but that may change, Americans like to do that ever so frequently

[Otohiko]

But you all do understand that animated motion pictures were started in the states, right, or at least in the UK I forget exactly where. And the Japanese adopted there animation do to American way or drawing (betty boop I think was her name). If this was already stated I apologizes, I’ll read thru the posts one more time.

It's tricky, really. It's hard to say who invented animation per se. Disney made the first cartoons as we know them (AFAIK), but you had things like puppet animations, and, more importantly, little flipbook animations before that.

Add to that, by the 1960's when anime was developing in Japan, the US or UK were not the only ones producing high-grade animation - you had high-quality stuff from France, from elsewhere in Europe, from the USSR... And then, I'm fairly sure 'cartoon' would be the word adapted in the States by then.

So, I guess it's tricky. Disney obviously had a huge influence on anime, but I don't think that's the only source. As for the name, again, debatable - but I heard that through France is the way it wound up in Japan.

[Coaxel Ethereal]

It's tricky, really. It's hard to say who invented animation per se. Disney made the first cartoons as we know them (AFAIK), but you had things like puppet animations, and, more importantly, little flipbook animations before that.

Add to that, by the 1960's when anime was developing in Japan, the US or UK were not the only ones producing high-grade animation - you had high-quality stuff from France, from elsewhere in Europe, from the USSR... And then, I'm fairly sure 'cartoon' would be the word adapted in the States by then.

So, I guess it's tricky. Disney obviously had a huge influence on anime, but I don't think that's the only source. As for the name, again, debatable - but I heard that through France is the way it wound up in Japan.

thanks, what i wanted to say with more information, it just seemed that the conversation leaned towards anime being strickly of japanese origin

[Kajino Rei]

Duke MadThain

I might be wrong in this, and if that’s the case I’ll chop my head off with my naginata to bring honor back to my name... if it ever had any.

But you all do understand that animated motion pictures were started in the states, right, or at least in the UK I forget exactly where. And the Japanese adopted there animation do to American way or drawing (betty boop I think was her name). If this was already stated I apologizes, I’ll read thru the posts one more time.

so it would be more correct to say that anime is the japanese was of saying an american word.

animes if grammatically incorrect by the way, but that may change, Americans like to do that ever so frequently

Far be it from me to say no to someone who wants to regain some honor, chop away.

Animation didn’t start in the US or the UK.
Guessing you meant televised animation because animation itself started millennia ago.
People seem to forget the cave drawings and pictures inside tombs. There were books with animation centuries ago.
The Japanese have always been art oriented, it’s widely known and if one studies the culture; they had all sorts of ways of expression.
Anime, an “American” word? Never, the word always used in the US was cartoons or animated cartoons at the most.
I could go even deeper and more detailed but it’s not needed.

thanks, what i wanted to say with more information, it just seemed that the conversation leaned towards anime being strickly of japanese origin

“Anime” is strictly Japanese as a word that means animation and an art that originated there (the style, ect.).
The fact that the West sees anime as a word meaning the same as Japanese animation or “Japanimation” is notwithstanding.

Plus read the discussion, it’s from a linguistically POV.


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Bleh, I'm tired.
Must be hard being a "Linguist" student, huh, Otohiko.

[HeartbreakerByZep]

I might be wrong in this, and if that’s the case I’ll chop my head off with my naginata to bring honor back to my name... if it ever had any.

But you all do understand that animated motion pictures were started in the states, right, or at least in the UK I forget exactly where. And the Japanese adopted there animation do to American way or drawing (betty boop I think was her name). If this was already stated I apologizes, I’ll read thru the posts one more time.

so it would be more correct to say that anime is the japanese was of saying an american word.

animes if grammatically incorrect by the way, but that may change, Americans like to do that ever so frequently

Well yes, but we're not talking about the origin of animation at all, we're talking about words.

The way I understand it, it's disputed whether the origin of the Japanese word "anime" comes from English or French. But regardless, it doesn't much change the situation.

[Kajino Rei]

I believe people should read the fcuking thread and stop posting veritable poop here.
Don't know, don't post.
Trying to have a conversation with meaning here and the thread still gets infected.

PS: What do you think of the thread now -ssj2gohan-?

It must be giving you headaches.

Later dude...

[Otohiko]

Must be hard being a "Linguist" student, huh, Otohiko.

Nah. Not more than being any other kind of student.

It is, however, hard to not irritate others this way