Am I a Jerk? [in regards to yaoi]

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Post by kthulhu » Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:36 pm

"The court has taken sides in the culture war," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the three, suggesting the ruling would invite laws allowing same-sex marriages.
Bah, so many marriages end in divorce nowadays that it's pointless.

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Post by Lyrs » Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:36 pm

Well, Gundamn Wing is yoai and people watch it. :D


neway....

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Post by SarahtheBoring » Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:49 pm

*laughs at the thought of Gravitation with mecha*

Possibility 1: I'd guess that they freaked out because you called yourself a homophobe. You may not have meant it in the strongest connotation, but they were probably expecting a big, classic homophobe-fanboy lecture about how it was GROSS and blah blah blah blah. So rather than waiting around till the rocket launchers fly at them, they cut you off before the sermon they were expecting.

Possibility 2: Yaoi fans tend to be a bit paranoid outside their own enclaves. They have interests that they know other people consider freakish and wrong, and they are eager to not be seen as disgusting freaks because of what they like, particularly by their non-yaoi-fan friends.

(hm, kind of like anime fans in backward areas, in a way.)

So some of them will push stuff on others just as their way of saying, "See, it's okay. I'm not a freak, see, it's not so bad. I'm normal, right?" I don't think they necessarily want you to like it; I think they want you to not hate them for what they like.

Now, all of this is assuming that you wouldn't throw "OMG YOU SICK FUCKS" fits on them. If you would, then really, you truly are a homophobe and I have nothing to say to you.

-- to everyone: --

However, if you just don't like yaoi, you aren't a homophobe. That's not what homophobia is. It has nothing to do with anime, or what people like to watch. It is hating real people who are gay. Not just saying that you aren't into gay-themed entertainment, and not just saying that you don't want to see any visual representations of it. Hating. Hate is a strong word.

The iffy part is when you said it was "wrong" - that I'd have to hear more clarification on before I say anything about that.

But I agree that people throw around cries of "homophobe" WAY too often in the yaoi fandom. Way too often. They've lost sight of what the word actually means and in the process, given yaoi fans a bad name. That type annoys me almost as much as the "omg u sick fucks" side does.

Now while I think guys are laughably paranoid about this sort of thing, and trust me, I do laugh at you ;) - it is perfectly reasonable to say that you don't want to watch yaoi. That's your choice. Hell, I don't like mecha anime, and I try to avoid them. Generally I don't care for them. Do I shove this down people's throats and call them sick and wrong for watching mecha series? No. Do I think it's wrong for other people to watch mecha series? No, I could care less what they watch. If someone tried to force me to watch a mecha series, I'd be irritated, but that's something they're doing that's out of line. (I'd bet they're just looking for validation - see point 2 above.)

Anyway, apply that to yaoi series and you have what I'd call a completely reasonable taste. It's when you start

a) assigning moral imperatives to a form of entertainment - "Watching this makes you a bad person"
or
b) trying to force others to agree with you

...that I would start calling you ...well, not a homophobe, maybe just an ass. ;)

And as an aside or two:
- Gravitation is not a very good example. I like it, personally, but I would never call it Great Entertainment. It's just a cute, frothy little show. (I would think of an example in hetero anime, but nothing's coming to me. Something that's just somewhat lame fun, and not MEANINGFUL DRAMA.)

- Azumanga Daioh is not a yuri series. Sorry. ;) Rose of Versailles is a yuri series. Azumanga Daioh is just a show about girls. Just because there are no boyfriends around doesn't make it a yuri series; it just makes it a show about girls without romance in it. Kaorin may be a lesbian (though she may also be a hero worshipper), but one character doesn't mean the entire show has an overall gay theme. AD has very little romance in it, if at all, and personally that's one of the things I love about it. It's a change of pace from the usual romantic comedy. So, that's all for that. 8)

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Post by leathelanime » Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:41 pm

Well if only they could understand what I meant...now im just another meathead who hate Yaoi to them..it really isn my bag but noooo...

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Post by TheRealNeoHentaiMaster » Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:52 pm

Man, if thats true Yaio fans need to grow the fuck up. I mean seriously, heres the real reason people get pissed when you bring up your little freakish sexual secrets...PEOPLE DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM AND DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THEM. You got these people all like pushing their little "hobbies" on people and screaming HERE, THIS IS WHAT I LIKE NOW ACCEPT ME!! ACCEPT ME DAMMIT!! I mean, whenver you try and shove something down someones throut, its gonna annoy them. Theres just some shit you dont talk about it. You dont have to feel ashamed or whatever about it, you just talk about it. I mean, everyone jerks off right? its completely normal and pretty much everyone knows it, but no one talks about it either. You wont hear either guys nor girls going up to each other and being all like "damn man, I just had the best wank session, so how you doing today?" People just dont want to hear about it. Concordinately(if thats a word) people dont want to hear about what you wank too either. Has you may of guessed, I have a few wierd secrets of my own, and honestly, its not that hard to keep them to myself. I dont get depressed, worried about what others think and then try and force them to like and accept it also. Its really none of their buisness. Anyway, the point is, once again, tell your little yaio fanatic friends to grow up and keep their stupid little perverted secrets to themselves, cause no one really gives a shit or wants to here about it. I mean, it figures theyre yaio fans, what is it with gay people and being really vain. And if they are a girls, well....still no suprise there.

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Post by Lyrs » Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:59 pm

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Post by borpii » Thu Jun 26, 2003 8:22 pm

Lyrs wrote:Well, Gundamn Wing is yoai and people watch it. :D

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I wish it was! :cry: How do you figure GW is yaoi?

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Post by Lyrs » Thu Jun 26, 2003 8:37 pm

no clue. i'm just spouting trash.

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Post by TheRealNeoHentaiMaster » Thu Jun 26, 2003 8:49 pm

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Post by Kazutaka » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:24 pm

Guys, why can't we all just get along? :twisted:
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