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Post by Aetherfukz » Sun Dec 22, 2002 4:27 pm

Freako wrote:seriously though if you were a anime company would you be more likely to go after the people trading the footage .... or the people ripping it?

uh huh.
Well, we rip the Animes for using them as footage in AMVs. And I think there is nobody here that rips Animes and uploads them to the web as-is or put them into Kazaa just so some people can download their Animes. But when you put up an AMV, there is no real harm to the production companies, like I said, we spread their word, and their art gets more known...
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Post by JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Sun Dec 22, 2002 4:43 pm

Aetherfukz wrote:
Freako wrote:seriously though if you were a anime company would you be more likely to go after the people trading the footage .... or the people ripping it?

uh huh.
Well, we rip the Animes for using them as footage in AMVs. And I think there is nobody here that rips Animes and uploads them to the web as-is or put them into Kazaa just so some people can download their Animes. But when you put up an AMV, there is no real harm to the production companies, like I said, we spread their word, and their art gets more known...
Whether it harms or not, it's still illegal, and that's what I'm arguing.
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Post by kthulhu » Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:28 pm

I call this the "street bum" syndrome. Like when a person bugs someone for money on the street.

It's annoying to the person being bugged, because much of the time they either have a job/are clever enough/just lucky and know the right people to get their money, and someone asking for it for free, without offering anything in return, is a pain in the ass. The person asking for money usually gets one of the following:

1. Nothing
2. "Get a job, you bum" (real world possible circumstances not applying to my analogy)
3. MAYBE a piddly hand out.

And if you live in a city like mine, with a lot of street people, it becomes fucking annoying when you're pestered multiple times a day.

So apply this to the subject at hand, getting free clips. The analogy stays the same. The people being bothered have, dollars to donuts, either ripped their own footage from media they bought, know people who will do it for them (and THEM ALONE), or found that magic website of high quality anime footage that either doesn't exist in the real world or is a total pain in the ass to find and is in constant danger of being shut down for using too much bandwidth. Considering all this, it is no wonder that many of them are not inclined to share.

It is easiest, and best, to invest the time, money, and trouble involved in being able to rip and edit your own DVDs. Likely no one will help you with your clips "problem", and no one HAS to. Only YOU have the power to do so.
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Post by hikix » Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:35 pm

No offense taken! ^_^ Thanks for the help! ^_^

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Post by JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:39 pm

hikix wrote:No offense taken! ^_^ Thanks for the help! ^_^
Erm, who are you talking to?
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Post by IratusAngelus » Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:29 pm

hikix wrote:No offense taken! ^_^ Thanks for the help! ^_^
Behold! The magic of the quote button!

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Post by thistledown » Mon Dec 23, 2002 12:16 am

Ive been waiting for a description on copyright to come up for a while now. I was thinking about that rule and thought of a chain of events that I think works, but sounds too good to be true. Somebody please tell me where it's wrong.


You go out and buy a video.
Then you make a copy for your own use.
Now a friend wants to get the video.
You sell it to him, because you have a backup copy.
Once your friend has the original, he decides to create a backup copy for his own use as well.
Now you decide you want the video again.
You agree to buy it back at the same price you sold it to him for.
You now have the original product again, and your backup copy, and your friend has his backup copy.

Now imagine if you sell it to your friend for an infinetesimal amount of money, and he sells it back to you after an infinetesimal amount of time, for the same price.

This only works for small scale piracy, but I'm sure the argument could easily be expanded to large scale operations.

The only flaw I can see in this is in rather you can keep your backup copy after you no longer own the original. But that is almost the definition of a backup copy, so that if your original is lost, damaged, or unavailable, you can still use the backup.

I thought of this argument on the way home one day, and I'm sure when I get back to school next month my roomate can blow it out of the water, (His best skill seems to be blowing any argument away), but I wanted to hear your opinions first.
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Post by JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:32 pm

thistledown wrote:Ive been waiting for a description on copyright to come up for a while now. I was thinking about that rule and thought of a chain of events that I think works, but sounds too good to be true. Somebody please tell me where it's wrong.


You go out and buy a video.
Then you make a copy for your own use.
Now a friend wants to get the video.
You sell it to him, because you have a backup copy.
Once your friend has the original, he decides to create a backup copy for his own use as well.
Now you decide you want the video again.
You agree to buy it back at the same price you sold it to him for.
You now have the original product again, and your backup copy, and your friend has his backup copy.

Now imagine if you sell it to your friend for an infinetesimal amount of money, and he sells it back to you after an infinetesimal amount of time, for the same price.

This only works for small scale piracy, but I'm sure the argument could easily be expanded to large scale operations.

The only flaw I can see in this is in rather you can keep your backup copy after you no longer own the original. But that is almost the definition of a backup copy, so that if your original is lost, damaged, or unavailable, you can still use the backup.

I thought of this argument on the way home one day, and I'm sure when I get back to school next month my roomate can blow it out of the water, (His best skill seems to be blowing any argument away), but I wanted to hear your opinions first.
The moment you sell the original, you're reproducing the social benefit from a good that people have not paid for, increasing the benifitors of the product without them paying for it. The backup copy is incase it is lost or damaged, selling it forgoes your right to have a copy of it.
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Post by Innotech » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:05 pm

get MIRC. on there there are anime rooms with servers setup like Kazaa personal peer to peer servers...I recommend doing that...you can get Ranma, sailor moon, fushigi Yugi, Neon genesis ecvangelion, sakura diaries...prettym uch anything a person has...theres a LOT too.
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Post by MAS PRODUCTIONS » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:37 pm

Getting clips doesn't help you much anyways, most clips that might be on the net are such bad quality that no one would watch your vid. I personally hate the idea of people using clips. I know that some people are broke and cant afford stuff but thats no excuse. Hell I have spent a minimum of $4000 on an anime and capturing equitment. Ceck my sig., I collected those in two years and that was only buying one or so every month. Im the kind of person that odesn't cut corners and frown on those who do, if I can come from nothing and make it than anyone can. If you want to use clips, go ahead. On the amv illegal thing, I dont consider amvs illegal due to "fair use".
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