Discussion of a Character- Asuka

OtakuMan22 · Post by **OtakuMan22** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:23 pm

(OBSCURE AMV REFERENCE WARNING!!! OBSCURE AMV REFERENCE WARNING!!!)

Of course, Kaji was the one that would be willing to put his brain in a robot shark...

HOLY CRAP!

~Otaku-Man

Merm · Post by **Merm** » Mon May 16, 2005 2:46 pm

Tainted_Eden wrote:Ah, stimmt. Even though, she would randomly get pissed at a lot of people. Kaji, on the other hand, smoothly kept them away or was involved with them to a point where he could move on without them.

She would get pissed off but it didn't consume her life. Some people have fiery tempers and others don't. She did get pissed off at people a lot be she still had friends. Both Kaji and Asuka can move on with their lives.

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:53 pm

Merm wrote: She would get pissed off but it didn't consume her life. Some people have fiery tempers and others don't. She did get pissed off at people a lot be she still had friends. Both Kaji and Asuka can move on with their lives.

No Merm-dude, I think that Asuka basically WAS her image. She thrived more on how others viewed her, than her own abilities. Ok, lets just look at it from the outside: She's a hottie, she pilots huge ass mecha bioroids, she is an obvious elite chosen from a very small pool of candidates. All the other Eva pilots were Japanese right? So she was even MORE special since she got to be shipped in.

Stick someone with a lot of self confidence with a couple of people like Rei and Shinji and they'll either ignore them, or whip them into shape. Or at the least, tell them to F-off and get the apparently empty room across the hallway.

Instead she's faced only with the ways that she is deficient from the others. Top that off with a likely dose of strong hormones, lots of mental issues... already discussed.. she was a projection of what she wanted to be.

For all of the little efforts that the show manages to show quite admirably, she comes across as very real, in that she's er... not real.

As for putting her in a fictional relationship, I can't think of anybody that seemed very solid in the show. Pretty much everyone had some wierd issue or other going on. I stick by my statement: the penguin was probably the only sane one around.

Digitalex · Post by **Digitalex** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:33 pm

madbunny wrote: As for putting her in a fictional relationship, I can't think of anybody that seemed very solid in the show. Pretty much everyone had some wierd issue or other going on. I stick by my statement: the penguin was probably the only sane one around.

You're absolutely correct on that one. No one is devoid of problems. The show perfectly executes a bait and switch. You get lured in with pictures of delicious looking female heroines and mighty looking mecha but then the doors close and you get locked into a psychoanalytical drama. You want to stop looking but for some inexplicable reason, you come back for more...more I tell you!

You're right, Pen Pen's only issue was that he needed a cooling system strapped to his back and he lived in a fridge.

bobbarker31 · Post by **bobbarker31** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:39 pm

Tainted_Eden wrote:
bobbarker31 wrote:I think they are talking about "instrumentality" and the Third Impact. Kaji was more messed up than all of the other characters on Evangelion. The Manga which delved deeper into many of the character's pasts showed that Kaji got his little brother and some other kids killed by trying to protect himself. His life was pretty much devestated by that event and shaped who he wanted to become. His obsession was to find out what was Second Impact.... what what NERV's real objectives.... Kaji worked for Seele, Gendo, and the Japanese government, but I would say that he was first and foremost loyal to the truth.
How can he be the most screwed up? He at least has a head on him, and knows a lot more things. Even though he's a bit shifty 'n at, he at least is dedicated to discovering the truth, even if it means serving ties from others.

If I was responsible for the death of my brother, my last surviving member of my immediate family, and some other people that trusted me.... rest assured, he was pretty messed up.

bobbarker31 · Post by **bobbarker31** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:45 pm

Digitalex wrote:
madbunny wrote: As for putting her in a fictional relationship, I can't think of anybody that seemed very solid in the show. Pretty much everyone had some wierd issue or other going on. I stick by my statement: the penguin was probably the only sane one around.
You're absolutely correct on that one. No one is devoid of problems. The show perfectly executes a bait and switch. You get lured in with pictures of delicious looking female heroines and mighty looking mecha but then the doors close and you get locked into a psychoanalytical drama. You want to stop looking but for some inexplicable reason, you come back for more...more I tell you!

You're right, Pen Pen's only issue was that he needed a cooling system strapped to his back and he lived in a fridge.

I need to go back and watch it again in Japanese, but after Rei died fighting the angel, I think Misato offered to sleep with Shinji. Talk about messed up if that is the only way she thinks she can comfort somebody... Of course this is lost in the dub translation. Another reason to be very scrutinizing of the translation... changes the entire character of the scene... and I think Misato was the most troubled of all.... I have not seen a pseudo family put together like that under one roof since Batman..

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:57 pm

bobbarker31 wrote: I need to go back and watch it again in Japanese, but after Rei died fighting the angel, I think Misato offered to sleep with Shinji. Talk about messed up if that is the only way she thinks she can comfort somebody...

Actually, this is a fairly normal reaction from what I understand. That's why you always hear stories about <ahem> comforting the widow at a funeral. It's a life affirming act. Still, a guy's pretty likely to respond to someone like Misato... even if he knows intellectually it's false.

Of course this is lost in the dub translation. Another reason to be very scrutinizing of the translation... changes the entire character of the scene... and I think Misato was the most troubled of all.... I have not seen a pseudo family put together like that under one roof since Batman..

I try to always watch stuff in the original language.. but of course I'm at the mercy of the translation. Ever notice how a cool series will be fansubbed, you're like.. that was great I'm buying the disks! Then you get them and the translation on disk sucks? How much gets lots for something all subtle and stuff like some of the shows (such as say... Evengelion, Lain, or uh... Monster)?

Bruce [sultry voice]: "Heeey boy wonder.. I've got something for you"
Boy wonder [astonished]: "Gee golly Bat-man! I hope it's anime this time not more bat-thongs!"

Digitalex · Post by **Digitalex** » Tue May 17, 2005 10:24 am

bobbarker31 wrote:
I need to go back and watch it again in Japanese, but after Rei died fighting the angel, I think Misato offered to sleep with Shinji. Talk about messed up if that is the only way she thinks she can comfort somebody... Of course this is lost in the dub translation. Another reason to be very scrutinizing of the translation... changes the entire character of the scene... and I think Misato was the most troubled of all.... I have not seen a pseudo family put together like that under one roof since Batman..

Same here. I've been watching the dub version the first time around. I'm going to watch it in the subbed form, especially with my recently acquired Platinum collection. Interesting you mention that scene because in the dub version I had no clue she was offering herself sexually until I started reading forum discussions about her. I just thought she was trying to console him in a maternal sense. Damn dub ruined the original meaning of that scene for me.

Tainted_Eden · Post by **Tainted_Eden** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:23 pm

Eh, well, sometimes they need to dub it like that, 'cause of, y'know, we must keep our children pure!! Despite the fact that American cartoons sometimes gets away with SO much. I just like how they allow guns in Scooby Doo *shudder* but not in Yu Gi Oh...

Anyway, yeah, with Misato, everything seemed very sexual with her. I wonder if Kaji had brought that out or if she had just been naturally like that?

I remember in one of the movies, she kissed him... End of Eva, I think. I haven't seen that in so long. *kills self*

Digitalex · Post by **Digitalex** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:47 pm

Tainted_Eden wrote: Anyway, yeah, with Misato, everything seemed very sexual with her. I wonder if Kaji had brought that out or if she had just been naturally like that?

I remember in one of the movies, she kissed him... End of Eva, I think. I haven't seen that in so long. *kills self*

Kaji didn't bring it out of her directly. She fell in love with him but when he reminded Misato too much of her father she high tailed it out of there. When she was younger, she felt neglected by her father so she hated him for that. However, she also loved him because he was the one that saved her during 2nd impact. It confused her as she grew up. During Instrumentality we see inside Misato's mind and discover that she wanted to be "dirty" as a sign of rebellion to her father.

As for the Misato/Shinji kiss, she gave him that powerful "good-bye" in EoE.