DK's Anime List

[AtomicWeezleman]

well, i can use region 1, multi region dvd players are only about $120, so theyre easy enought to get hold of, i just like getting region 2, this means i can lend it to friends and introduce them to anime..

Well hopefully the region-free ones will have a good translations, but I doubt it. Something like this (and of course Eva) needs a good translation...what am I talking...almost everything I watch needs to be translated well...

Region 2? So that means in England they buy DVDs that have no subtitles and are just raw Japanese? Or do they make a version for the UK, but it's region 2?

its usualy the australia release but converted back to region 2, also there is some raw region 2 around, but very hard to come by....

[CaTaClYsM]

Downloading anime isn't any more ethical then buying it used, or buying a R1 DVD. Know why? because none of the money goes to the creators anyway, and there are a good deal of crappy releases that are on R1 DVD's that will be rereleased in a few days with didgitaly remastered footage.

[dwchang]

See, that's the rub. You say that now that you have the money, you are supporting it, and that's perfect. If I had the money I myself would support it in a heartbeat. However, I don't, and easy as it is to say "don't watch it", one isn't exactly normally willing to just give up their favorite hobby.

Regardless, you see my point ne? Illegal is illegal. Whether you do it or not, TONS of people aren't willing to admit that they're hurting the industry or screwing someone over.

Like I said, I don't have that much of a problem with say downloading and watching a show and then buying it and deleting it, but at the same time, this was an argument about legalities and whatnot. Regardless of how little it effects things or money, it's still stealing.

Also, you must admit that it's a bit ridiculous to have 200+ titles with no intention of buying ever. My main gripe is that...this "special" status people seem to give themselves like they are above all this. I guess I misunderstood you for doing the same thing since you were defending it fervently. If you buy 'em...great...if not..well..it's still your perogative.

Not that it helps, but I have always bought my video games and anime. Even when I was a poor college kid, I saved what little I made during co-op or intern tours and spent it on a couple DVDs every few months. It's not THAT difficult. As for now, once you start making money, unless you're a 'tard who spends his money on other things, it's not big deal at all. A few DVDs a month is like nothing. If you're not willing to put0, like what...5% of your income into your hobby...well I truly question if you even like the stuff and the people who make it.

[dwchang]

Downloading anime isn't any more ethical then buying it used, or buying a R1 DVD. Know why? because none of the money goes to the creators anyway, and there are a good deal of crappy releases that are on R1 DVD's that will be rereleased in a few days with didgitaly remastered footage.

Alright let's see...your argument is flawed threefold:

1) Downloading = buying R1 DVD eh? Yeah so doing something legitimate is ethically equivalent to downloading it with no exchange of money for goods or services? Obviously you haven't taken an ethics class since you use the word ethics so loosely and incorrectly.

If it were ethically equivalent, one wouldn't have a fine and jailtime associated with it.

2) The money may not directly go to the creators, but you're still screwing them over. It's a circle and for you to screw one end, you will eventually screw them over. Let me demonstrate:

-Gainax releases a great anime. Makes money off of it by showing it on Japanese TV
-ADV buys the distribution rights to said anime and pays a large sum (probably around 1 mill or higher 100,000's) to Gainax.
-ADV sells said anime on the market. Nobody buys it and everyone downloads it.
-ADV loses money.
-Gainax produce another great anime. Makes some money off of it.
-ADV does not have the money to buy the rights to it.
-US fans aren't given the opportunity to watch said show.
-ADV makes even LESS money.
-Gainax makes even less money since they did not sell distro rights (IIRC the $ Japanese anime companies make off of the US is a non-trivial number now. > 20%).
-Anime fans get screwed continually....

This is how the economy works. It's a circle. Now I know the example is a little extrems since it's not like ADV doesn't have the money or like no one will buy it, but at the same time, each download does effect this little by little. Like I said, Japanese companies DO get money from the states in the distro rights and that money comes from the profits ADV makes from it's sales to you. To say they aren't making money off of us b/c we don't directly hand it to them is preposterous and idiotic at best.

3) Numerous people on this newsgroup have told me you're usually full of crap, make stupid arguments with no basis and are probably doing this just to make me reply (looks like you succeeded). I think most people on this board take your statements with a grain of salt. If you ever feel like making a "real" argument, I suggest working on your credibility. Not to say that this statement could've been serious, but it's hard to know when you're serious since you're usually talking out of your ass. Either way, just a word of advice if you want people to take you seriously.

[Propyro]

admitably i only saw the first DVD of the series, but i havent seen another dvd since. And its no use asking at the counter, in england were very stereotypical, everyone thinks all japanese animation is porn, so asking at the counter for them to order stuff is like having 'IM A PERVERT' sign on your back, so generaly i wait and wait and wait until it is released on the shelves, maybe ill wait a long time....

yea, i've noticed that i get that when ever i go to HMV and ask if my order has come in ... they see the title Neon Genisis Evangelion and the catagory "JAPANAMATION" next to it on the computer and usualy look at me funny ... one person at the counter started getting pretty weird about it ... they were all like ... "oh there must be some kind of mistake we don't cary any of her music ... oh wait were you talking about that japanamation stuff ..." well so far it's been about 7.5 or 8 weeks since i ordered it ... and god is this ever getting annoying ... i want that bloody box set! !

[CaTaClYsM]

Downloading anime isn't any more ethical then buying it used, or buying a R1 DVD. Know why? because none of the money goes to the creators anyway, and there are a good deal of crappy releases that are on R1 DVD's that will be rereleased in a few days with didgitaly remastered footage.

Alright let's see...your argument is flawed threefold:

1) Downloading = buying R1 DVD eh? Yeah so doing something legitimate is ethically equivalent to downloading it with no exchange of money for goods or services? Obviously you haven't taken an ethics class since you use the word ethics so loosely and incorrectly.

If it were ethically equivalent, one wouldn't have a fine and jailtime associated with it.

2) The money may not directly go to the creators, but you're still screwing them over. It's a circle and for you to screw one end, you will eventually screw them over. Let me demonstrate:

-Gainax releases a great anime. Makes money off of it by showing it on Japanese TV
-ADV buys the distribution rights to said anime and pays a large sum (probably around 1 mill or higher 100,000's) to Gainax.
-ADV sells said anime on the market. Nobody buys it and everyone downloads it.
-ADV loses money.
-Gainax produce another great anime. Makes some money off of it.
-ADV does not have the money to buy the rights to it.
-US fans aren't given the opportunity to watch said show.
-ADV makes even LESS money.
-Gainax makes even less money since they did not sell distro rights (IIRC the $ Japanese anime companies make off of the US is a non-trivial number now. > 20%).
-Anime fans get screwed continually....

This is how the economy works. It's a circle. Now I know the example is a little extrems since it's not like ADV doesn't have the money or like no one will buy it, but at the same time, each download does effect this little by little. Like I said, Japanese companies DO get money from the states in the distro rights and that money comes from the profits ADV makes from it's sales to you. To say they aren't making money off of us b/c we don't directly hand it to them is preposterous and idiotic at best.

Do you seriously expect me to believe that the money for the distro right to an anime like eva hasnt been made back at least ten-fold? And to top that off, the DVD's themselves are CRAP, Horrible source footage for AMV's, as well as other R1 releases like berserk, which I know the craptacularness of first hand. And even if it isn't a BIG problem there are other animes that have problems of their own, like the Domestic release of Trigun, with big, fat, gay, rainbow's around any black line. By buying the overpriced DVD's of a crappy R1 release that has already made twice it's wieght in gold is basicaly saying "please, crap into my eye socket's, I don't know the difference." And if you will notice, what money do the people at gainax make if I buy a used copy of one of their eva DVD's? what money does ADV make when I buy a used DVD? I'll tell you how much, NONE. But the buying and selling of used DVD's or VHS tapes or CD's or ANYTHING is still all nice and legal. In fact, gainax makes as much money off used anime as it does off the footage people download.

oh and btw

3) Numerous people on this newsgroup have told me you're usually full of crap, make stupid arguments with no basis and are probably doing this just to make me reply (looks like you succeeded). I think most people on this board take your statements with a grain of salt. If you ever feel like making a "real" argument, I suggest working on your credibility. Not to say that this statement could've been serious, but it's hard to know when you're serious since you're usually talking out of your ass.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ad%20hominem
and if YOU expect anyone to take your arguments seriously you should learn what the above word means, and why you look like a fucktard because of it. oh, and btw, just for shits and giggles, ask me if I care what the hell you think.

[CaTaClYsM]

oh, and if you have some sort of problem with ME for not saying that downloaded footage is the spawn of satan, then maybe you should deal FIRST with the members who openly talk about their use of downloaded footage like fansubs (ermac and omnistrata) or those ripping R1 DVD's for distro on the net(the mad hatter)

[dwchang]

Do you seriously expect me to believe that the money for the distro right to an anime like eva hasnt been made back at least ten-fold?

It's not a matter of if they make 10x or 1x the money they put into it. It's a business and they still deserve to make the money. Everyone is so focused on how much money they make and how things won't change, but the fact of the matter is that it's still stealing and legally they deserve that money for the product/service.

As for the quality being crap, that's something we deal with. If you want a better release, go work for them. There's not much we can do other than try and appeal to them. We don't have the money to buy the distribution rights, so we take what we can get.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ad%20hominem
and if YOU expect anyone to take your arguments seriously you should learn what the above word means, and why you look like a fucktard because of it. oh, and btw, just for shits and giggles, ask me if I care what the hell you think.

That's great that you can link things to dictionary.com and use SAT words, but I'm not really trying to attack you and personal attacks don't really help you out although I guess you feel the necessity to defend yourself which is fine.

What I'm getting at is that you have (in the past) posted some pretty ludicrous things (mostly to get a reaction) and it's hard to decipher when you're being serious and when you're not. It's just a suggestion since it'll help your credibility...I named it as a point b/c I wasn't sure if I should just take this argument with a grain of salt like some of your other statements. I guess you're being serious and in turn, I am still *trying* to debate the issue in a calm and logical manner. If you don't feel the need, whatever too...

I'd also like to note that I pretty much said this the first time around.

Not to say that this statement could've been serious, but it's hard to know when you're serious since you're usually talking out of your ass.

You must've missed it...

[dwchang]

oh, and if you have some sort of problem with ME for not saying that downloaded footage is the spawn of satan, then maybe you should deal FIRST with the members who openly talk about their use of downloaded footage like fansubs (ermac and omnistrata) or those ripping R1 DVD's for distro on the net(the mad hatter)

You obviously haven't read all my replies or at least have only skimmed it. I don't think it's this GOD-AWFUL thing. What I'm trying to communicate is that it's illegal. The first few arguments were this rationalization that it was alright or not even legal. IMO I think you're going off on a tangent, but whatever (shrug).

Regardless of if one is more severe than the other, they are still both illegal.

[CaTaClYsM]

What I'm getting at is that you have (in the past) posted some pretty ludicrous things (mostly to get a reaction) and

Such as?

I guess you're being serious and in turn, I am still *trying* to debate the issue in a calm and logical manner. If you don't feel the need, whatever too...

yes, I was clearly making random trouble making off topic flames and general trolling.

Numerous people on this newsgroup have told me you're usually full of crap,

back to this, I would like to aplaude the use of vauge third-hand comments generalizing the past year of posting I have made into one little bite sized piece of crap. I would have expected this to be beneath you but meh, if it's easier for you to swallow.

And another thing, since you seem to hate the distro of illegal anime so much, I think you should do something about klinky and rad's Eva project since it clearly goes beyond simple downloaded footage.