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Post by dwchang » Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:48 pm

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UncleMilo wrote:I can't agree with you on that.

While some things in EVA are up for interpretation (as they are meant to be) other things are not.

First Impact is never explained in the show... and there have been some good arguments for what First Impact was... but I don't believe that ANYTHING goes, just because some things are vague...

-Uncle Milo
I've read something saying that First Impact was what wiped out the Dinosaurs. Since by "Impact" they seem to mean a great catastophic event that involved unimanginable loss of life.

But you've probably already read that theory somewhere. :oops:
Milo covered the other theory that First Impact was Noah's flood, but yet another equally plausible theory to First Impact is the crucifiction of Christ. Sure it didn't wipe out millions of people, but it obviously impacted society in a Judeo-Christian way yes?

Now as to which theory I subscribe to, probably Noah's flood since it wiped out people and not dinosaurs. At the same time, any of the three is possible (and cool) IMO.
UncleMilo wrote:The second was made the same way as Adam. She, however, had her own sense of will and desire and wanted to do her own thing and wasn't all that interested in Adam. Her name was Lillith. Lillith went on to marry Cain and became the mother of all demons. (Note the very strong anti-woman tones of the old religious texts... she wanted to have her own will and so she was an unacceptable bride and became a mother of demons... nice)
IIRC the main reason she was kicked out of Eden was because she wanted to have sex on top. Key word is that she *wanted* instead of doing what her husband wanted so this is in direct correlation to what Milo said.

Jonathan: A much quicker way to get the answers you seek is to probably go find the old thread and READ it. Note that I said read and not reply. I'm sure none of us will be as annoyed if you did that and came in with that knowledge prior to asking questions. Sound reasonable?

I wish Metro would read this since I seem to have misplaced a site that has a good portion of the frequently asked questions and more importantly, the answers. It's quite good and I seem to recall him posting it.

Where are you Metro? :)
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Post by UncleMilo » Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:48 pm

HeartbreakerByZep wrote:Lilith was before Eve, so they say. I don't know if Lilith existed according to the Christian relgiion, but keep in mind the Bible is edited.

As for my interpretation, I don't think I really should, since, though I've seen the series multiple times, I've never watched it all in one sitting, and it's been a very long time since I've seen any of the most crucial parts.

But in the most general terms, I'd say Evangelion is a story about life. As for what occured in the movie EoE, I think the phrase "death & rebirth" sums it up perfectly. Though I don't think Eva has any true connection to the Bible, as religious refferences where used mainly for inspiration and flavor, but it is not unlike the Revalation, where earth & heaven where destroyed, and recreated.
Exactly...

EVA is really about Shinji...

The EVAs battling the Angels is just the surface story and not nearly as important as the main story arc, which is the questions of life... and how to deal with life... the psychological and philisophical questions that Shinji confronts and questions.

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Post by Jonathan02us » Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:50 pm

I though so that lilthe was before eve ... i was a bit confused because i never heard that lilthe was in the bible ... where did u guys hear that lilthe was before eve .... :? ...

Man unclemilo beat me before i could post ... oh well ... that is very interesting ... u just broadend my mind a bit more ... :) ... i never really though that adam had so many wives ... :? ... at all makes sense now ...

Anything else u guys wanna add on ... it very interesting ... :)
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Post by dwchang » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:03 pm

Jonathan02us wrote:I though so that lilthe was before eve ... i was a bit confused because i never heard that lilthe was in the bible ... where did u guys hear that lilthe was before eve .... :? ...

Man unclemilo beat me before i could post ... oh well ... that is very interesting ... u just broadend my mind a bit more ... :) ... i never really though that adam had so many wives ... :? ... at all makes sense now ...

Anything else u guys wanna add on ... it very interesting ... :)
You never heard about it because it's *not* in the bible. It's part of Jewish Mythology and not exactly part of the religion. Again...mythology.

I guess I'm gonna break my vow and yet try to be quick.

The "meaning" of Eva is quite simple as milo and heartbreaker have said...it's about Shinji. It's about him coming of age and learning how to deal with people and his own problems. The story/plot is just there as a vehicle to tell his story.

If you want the normal plot stuff...the story is just about man defying God and trying to "evolve" past our AT fields (which we hurt each other with and hide behind) and live in peace with each other. That was the stuff in EoE and the solitary conversations in Episode 25/26 that everyone seems to hate (but I think is the most important). This was achieved via third impact (EoE movie) and lots of planning (SEELE/NERV). The Evas are just tools (blah blah clones...have souls in them...blah blah blah) and the Angels are another possibility of what humans could've been. We battle to see which has the "right" to move on/exist/whatever.

In any case, as I said, *all of that* is just a vehicle to show the progression of Shinji (and obviously to a degree the other characters). The story is simply about people, their problems and finally them conquering them. It's quite uplifting and I (obviously) enjoy it a lot.

I guess that's a bit long, but not as long as usual. And yes I do realize I left out a lot of details and generalized the plot a lot, but for obvious reasons (to be concise). The details and such are all there. Trust me on it. Watch it again and you'll see that it makes sense plot and meaning wise.
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Post by Jonathan02us » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:33 pm

wow ... :shock: ... yeah it is about one person and his problems ... shinji ... i never really though about it that way ... the story does revolve around him ... like his father, the eva's, etc... wow thats pretty crazy

No wonder i never heard of lilthe ... its a myth on the jewish religion ... :shock: ... thats very interesting ... imma check that out more closely .... :)

this is a great series ... it has so many things that are indept and are meant for interpretations ... so interesting ... :shock: ... :D ... anyone else ... 8)
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Post by NME » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:42 pm

"I'm sad"
"Go pilot a robot"
"No, I hate you, and I hate my dad, AND I HATE MYSELF!"
"I love you"
"UT OH, the worlds ending"
"Wow, that sucked"

Summary of Evangelion = Done.
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Post by Jonathan02us » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:51 pm

NME wrote:"I'm sad"
"Go pilot a robot"
"No, I hate you, and I hate my dad, AND I HATE MYSELF!"
"I love you"
"UT OH, the worlds ending"
"Wow, that sucked"

Summary of Evangelion = Done.
lol ... yeah that sounds acurate ... :)
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Post by dwchang » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:55 pm

NME wrote:"I'm sad"
"Go pilot a robot"
"No, I hate you, and I hate my dad, AND I HATE MYSELF!"
"I love you"
"UT OH, the worlds ending"
"Wow, that sucked"

Summary of Evangelion = Done.
You forgot:

"I masturbate to comatose women" in there somewhere :-P
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Post by UncleMilo » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:58 pm

dwchang wrote:if you want the normal plot stuff...the story is just about man defying God and trying to "evolve" past our AT fields (which we hurt each other with and hide behind) and live in peace with each other. That was the stuff in EoE and the solitary conversations in Episode 25/26 that everyone seems to hate (but I think is the most important). This was achieved via third impact (EoE movie) and lots of planning (SEELE/NERV). The Evas are just tools (blah blah clones...have souls in them...blah blah blah) and the Angels are another possibility of what humans could've been. We battle to see which has the "right" to move on/exist/whatever.
Even without EoE, we have the sequence where Gendo explains the concept of the "Man-Created Third Impact"... where all mankind would be a giant blob of LCL fluid... and Gendo says it is the only way for mankind to exist, but the narrative text after this questions Gendo's plan.

Gendo invisions the next step in evolution of man as this one single mass mind... but Shinji defies this notion.

He is "The Beast that shouted 'I'"... the very title of the episode...

this is the very note that Shinji comes around... he accepts life and the power of his own individuality... he comes to realize that there are no "rules" to life and that he can find his own value in himself without needing the approval of others... he finds a confidence in himself and rejects instrumentality.

This is why the TV series is so uplifting and empowering.

(I just wanted to add on to what dwchang said, since I think the message of Evangelion is just one of the better messages out there in film/anime/whatever.)

Of course, there are other TV shows/Movies/Books/etc. that have similar messages because the theme of us struggling with individuality and self acceptance in a world where it is easier to simply conform and depend on the views of others as your guidelines is common among all people.

That's why stories of this nature are so strong.

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Post by Lyrs » Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:00 pm

AtomicWeezleman wrote:hmmmm..........what about it............. ( i have visions of unclemilo, lyrs, dwchang and others going over the same arguments again and again................ arghhhh!!!!!)
What? I've actually argued about EVA? ~.^ I just started posting a bit more here. Oh as for repetitive arguements, they rock and sucka mean dick.


As for the topic,
Evangelion sucks. There that's all I'm going to say. It's about hte most repetitive thing anybody can say.
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