Evangelion: Classic or Overrated?

tomj · Post by **tomj** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:54 am

AtomicWeezleman wrote:just got something new off kazaa, the evangelion deleted scenes, why i ask why, why delete such great scenes???

Depends if they're actually deleted, or are additionally animated footage for the Renewal box (which will be MINE! when it comes out in June... CD Japan had my preorder a month ago...)

I think they're new footage, since the LD release should have had them and ADV thus should - I gather - have got them for the EN release.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:50 pm

AtomicWeezleman wrote:Which ending do you prefer, is it episodes 25 & 26, or do you prefer EOE, i myself prefer the original ending, as it ended the series nicely

Wow, me too. I was a little scared to answer since almost everyone hates the last two episodes. I liked them (although they were a bit abstract) because it was a little more open-ended for interpretation and like you said..nicer.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:52 pm

tomj wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:just got something new off kazaa, the evangelion deleted scenes, why i ask why, why delete such great scenes???
Depends if they're actually deleted, or are additionally animated footage for the Renewal box (which will be MINE! when it comes out in June... CD Japan had my preorder a month ago...)

I think they're new footage, since the LD release should have had them and ADV thus should - I gather - have got them for the EN release.

No, the deleted scenes aren't in the US release. I have seen the show via the LD's and there are a few minutes missing in some of the episodes. I might also add that some of them are really cool. Don't worry though, it doesn't add THAT much.

BTW what scene did you find, the only one I found online was the one fro Episode 22 (?) where Rei kils herself to beat the angel. There is a lot of "angelic/heavenly" symbolism taken out.

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:20 pm

In answer to which ending I prefer... I don't know. I think that the essence of the original ending- the idea that Instrumentality finally did away with everything and the minds of the characters was all that was left- is closer to what I think the 'best' ending; the show was never really about the robots and stuff anyway. It's about Shinji and the rest of them, about human beings. That's what makes it such a good show.

But too much of the episode's content is determined by the drastic lack of money that GAINAX's team was suffering from. Too little budget meant that they were seriously constrained.

But then again, while EoE is good and certainly higher-budget, it doesn't have the same ring of truth to it. It's too much about *how* Instrumentality happens, and not enough about why Shinji rejects it. That part needed more screentime. Oh, and I really dislike the 'real-life' section in 26'.

Personally, I'm episode 24 is my favorite, and the concept of Kaworu's character and his interaction with Shinji is the part of the series I enjoy the most of all. The music, the drama- I think that 24 is some of the finest work in the series. If it could have ended in that same style, that would have been wonderful.

Here's hoping for Eva: Renewal.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:40 pm

Savia wrote:In answer to which ending I prefer... I don't know. I think that the essence of the original ending- the idea that Instrumentality finally did away with everything and the minds of the characters was all that was left- is closer to what I think the 'best' ending; the show was never really about the robots and stuff anyway. It's about Shinji and the rest of them, about human beings. That's what makes it such a good show.

I hate to be mean, but we've all been saying that for a long time...

You should read the thread...or perahps you're just re-iterating

Either way I wholeheartedly agree.

[quote="salvia"But then again, while EoE is good and certainly higher-budget, it doesn't have the same ring of truth to it. It's too much about *how* Instrumentality happens, and not enough about why Shinji rejects it. That part needed more screentime. Oh, and I really dislike the 'real-life' section in 26'.[/quote]

Well from what I have *heard*, Episodes 25 and 26 are Anno's true ending and afterwards there was a HUGE backlash from the fans since they disliked his character driven (no "what happened") ending (the part of the fans hating it, is true). Since Eva did well, they got the money to make a movie and Anno....(un)fortunately made the movie. The main thing Gainax did, as you said was show the "story" elements, like how instrumentality happened and whatnot.

However, at the same time, it's been debated that the reason it's so "f'ed up" is b/c Anno was angry at the fans rejecting his "true" ending. I've heard people say Asuka saying "Kimochi wa Warui" (I feel sicked/disgusted) is really Anno talking to the audience since he was somewhat forced by the fans to make a movie he didn't want to. Either way, it's what I heard. I'm somewhat glad he did explain how it happened, but like you said..it isn't at all necessary since it's not that important.

tomj · Post by **tomj** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:00 am

dwchang wrote:
tomj wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:just got something new off kazaa, the evangelion deleted scenes, why i ask why, why delete such great scenes???
Depends if they're actually deleted, or are additionally animated footage for the Renewal box (which will be MINE! when it comes out in June... CD Japan had my preorder a month ago...)

I think they're new footage, since the LD release should have had them and ADV thus should - I gather - have got them for the EN release.
No, the deleted scenes aren't in the US release. I have seen the show via the LD's and there are a few minutes missing in some of the episodes. I might also add that some of them are really cool. Don't worry though, it doesn't add THAT much.

Well, no, but they'd be nice to have ^_^ especially in digital component...

dwchang wrote:BTW what scene did you find, the only one I found online was the one fro Episode 22 (?) where Rei kils herself to beat the angel. There is a lot of "angelic/heavenly" symbolism taken out.

I've got several, though I don't recall very clearly what they were, apart from the one you mention ^^. Yes, they don't add much, but they're a nice extra ^_^

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:05 am

tomj wrote: I've got several, though I don't recall very clearly what they were, apart from the one you mention ^^. Yes, they don't add much, but they're a nice extra ^_^

So you have the one that goes further into the Angel melding with Rei? Also the symbol that comes out of Eva00 is cool since it's a "real" symbol that means something with respect to the angel.

tomj · Post by **tomj** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:07 am

dwchang wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:Which ending do you prefer, is it episodes 25 & 26, or do you prefer EOE, i myself prefer the original ending, as it ended the series nicely
Wow, me too. I was a little scared to answer since almost everyone hates the last two episodes. I liked them (although they were a bit abstract) because it was a little more open-ended for interpretation and like you said..nicer.

You mean "not a vicious, nasty and unpleasant film to piss off drooling fanbois" ^_-

(/me also prefers the TV ending and takes EoE as continuity only on sufferance...)

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 4:03 am

I think they both end with powerful messages and I can't really decide between the two.

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 9:11 am

dwchang, its the bit in episode 23, where rei blows herself to smitherenes, a total head f@ck for shinji though, little rei's in the hand, everyone should have one or two of those.....

also this scene links in with the eoe more as to the part of reiangel trying to link with shinji..or thats what i got from it anyway