Evangelion: Classic or Overrated?

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:02 pm

Kracus, thank you for posting based on the name of the thread and not what the last 8 pages of discussion have enatiled. We all *love* it when people do that.

Metro · Post by **Metro** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:06 pm

dwchang wrote:
Metro wrote:
dwchang wrote:Oops! Live action...hmm...let's see...well aren't there like only (counting in his head): three male (main) voice actors in the show (Gendo, Fuyutsuki and Kaji)?
Fuyutsuki and Asuka?
But am I right?

You also gotta realize this IS the Japanese...nobody can deny that they are some of the most pedophillic cultures out there (hence the "younger" female teens in most shows and whatnot).

But is Fuyutsuki her style?
Clue: it is an alternate reality where Shinji doesn't exsist. So who would Asuka go after if there was no Shinji?

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:53 pm

Metro wrote: But is Fuyutsuki her style?
Clue: it is an alternate reality where Shinji doesn't exsist. So who would Asuka go after if there was no Shinji?

Well like I originally said..Kaji...but since that's wrong my guess is Toji since there are only like 2 other boys that are her age in the show. If not a boy, I'd hate to say this, but Hikari...once again the argument being they're similar in age.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:36 pm

dwchang wrote:
Mroni wrote:Eva sucks stop arguing about the biblical bullcrap. Tell me when shinji had his hands around Asukas throat was she secretly getting wet?
Mr. Oni, why do you always got be like this? This is public forum and you can choose not to read this thread. You are obviously coming in and reading a thread that annoys you so first off, so that's your fault.

Secondly, as I said, this is a public forum and we feel like discussing Evangelion because we see things differently than yourself and enjoy sharing ideas. I wouldn't complain if you started a thread about your pedophillic tendencies (although I think the moderators might). I don't think you have any right to tell us to stop discussing a topic that you can just as easily ignore.

Live and let live.

I am expressing my opinion and asking a question thank you. If you choose not to answer that is your business.

Mr Oni

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:55 am

Mroni wrote:I am expressing my opinion and asking a question thank you. If you choose not to answer that is your business.

Mr Oni

I know I'm gonna regret replying, but your point is valid. However, at the same time I suggest being more respectful of people's views and opinions. It'd be nice if we all did, but I know it's not gonna happen. Well whatever...just a suggestion.

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 3:45 am

Metro wrote:In the live action part of EoE Who did Asuka sleep with?

Toji Suzuhara. Final answer.

(I didn't read any of Page 9, so someone might have already answered that question)

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:02 am

dwchang wrote: Uhm...all human beings have an AT field. This is a fundamental thing in the show. The reason we turn to goo is b/c of the "Anti-AT field" generated by the "ceremony" or whatnot. Need evidence? Watch the show. It's in there. It talks about how they are generating an anti-AT field and that we can't hold our physical form like this. Anti, would imply it destroys ours AT fields. Also as Atomic has noted, Kawrou also says these things in pretty clear statements that we have AT fields since they are the barrier to the soul.

I meant the ability to project your AT field. I should have been more clear.

dwchang wrote: Although this was being used since the EVAs have their own AT fields and in rebuttal to you saying Eva02 had no soul in it. As I said...you need a soul to have an AT field. It's debateable it's that of the pilots, but well..that is a pretty strong AT field yes?... However, I thought you said Eva02 doesn't have a soul and Asuka was just delusional. You *did* say that awhile yes? If not a soul what? You are implying there is something more than an imprint (like I am) except I'm curious as to what you think it is. I think there is plenty of evidence (see above) that Eva02 has a soul in it and the only one that makes sense is Asuka's mother... Yup. In fact, I watched that scene again on DVD and there is a clear solid white silouette (sp) reaching out towards Asuka in EoE, similar to that of Shinji's mother in that Episode with the Sphere. I again however, am curious as to why you are saying these things since you clearly stated that neither Evas have souls.

Read more carefully. I never said that Unit 02 didn't have a soul. What I said was that it hadn't been proven. I actually do believe that Unit 02 most likely has psycho mom's soul in it; I just don't go around stating it as fact.

dwchang wrote:I still think you should seriously think about this Shinji thing. I think you misinterpret us. We aren't saying the other characters aren't important, but they aren't the MAIN character. You mentioned how they say in Episode 26 that they don't have time to do all the people's instrumentatlity, but at the same time, the movie and episode focus on him. Also, I might add that Shinji was in control of instrumentality and rejected it. He is still the central character and his growth and triumph is what the story revolves around. The other characters and their interactions with him and their growths are also important, but Shinji is still the fundamental piece.

My theory: Shinji is the primary character, Misato is the secondary character, Rei is the third most important character, Asuka is the quaternary character, and the rest isn't really what the show is about.

Your theory: Shinji is the primary character and the rest isn't really what the show is about.

We both agree that Shinji is the most important piece of the puzzle, and that the show could not be what it is without him. What we disagree on is what parts of Shinji are important (personal growth vs. raw emotion and his experiences and relationships with the other characters), and how important the other characters are. We agree more than we disagree, so let's not argue it further.

dwchang wrote: I think you got something for Rei or well...you do defend her a lot .

I have like 50 images of her that I rotate as my computer's wallpaper. I wear a figurine of her on a string around my neck. Any questions?

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:29 am

the Black Monarch wrote:Read more carefully. I never said that Unit 02 didn't have a soul. What I said was that it hadn't been proven. I actually do believe that Unit 02 most likely has psycho mom's soul in it; I just don't go around stating it as fact.

Well a statement like:

the Black Monarch wrote:By that time, Asuka had lost what little sanity she still had. I don't put much value on the delusional ravings of a girl who's completely lost contact with reality. Same goes for the whackjobs Gendo and Shinji. It's not like Unit 01 shouted, "Hey dumbass, I'm your mom!" No, Unit 01 crawled around like a dog and ate Angels instead. Yui would have at least walked over to the angel and eaten it with her hands instead of doing a faceplant...

seems to AT LEAST imply that you feel this way. You can't deny that these statements pretty much say that. It would've been a lot nicer if you mentioned this earlier...(sigh) it would've avoid the thousands of keystrokes everyone has wasted haha

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the Black Monarch wrote:My theory: Shinji is the primary character, Misato is the secondary character, Rei is the third most important character, Asuka is the quaternary character, and the rest isn't really what the show is about.

Your theory: Shinji is the primary character and the rest isn't really what the show is about.

We both agree that Shinji is the most important piece of the puzzle, and that the show could not be what it is without him. What we disagree on is what parts of Shinji are important (personal growth vs. raw emotion and his experiences and relationships with the other characters), and how important the other characters are. We agree more than we disagree, so let's not argue it further.

Well, to a degree you are correct. Yeah I believe Shinji is the central and most important character, but by the same token I don't believe the other characters aren't AT ALL important. The main reason for debate has been about his growth. I think the endings in both the series and movie seem to imply he grows. I mean he does choose to leave his "fake" world and live his life right? That's a WHOLE lot more than the huge wuss he was in the beginning who didn't want to be close to anyone b/c he might get hurt. By the same token, I think most of the characters develop (like you said about their interactions). The reason Shinji grows is BECAUSE of these interactions. So in a sense, I do agree that the interactions and relationships are important (I am fairly sure I said this), but for me it's b/c the result is his (and other character's) growths.

I do however, fundamentally agree with you about the "agree more than disagree." It's never been about that perse, I just enjoy discussing it and well..when someone disagrees I like discussing it. In the case of growth though, I am fairly concrete in my beliefs and it looks like you are too so (shrug).

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:22 am

just of topic for a second (well its not really, its loosely related), the rumoured prequel to evangelion ive heard is to be called Nerv H.Q, however, production I.G, has refused to produce it (they still want paying for evangelion!). If anyone has any more info on this, please, do tell. Plus, i dont want no smart ass linking me to the other thread Evangelion prequel and stuff, i just need the info thats all.

As to the importance of characters, yeah i agree with the pair of you, the story mainly revolves around Shinji, his interaction and growth.

Which ending do you prefer, is it episodes 25 & 26, or do you prefer EOE, i myself prefer the original ending, as it ended the series nicely

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 8:41 am

just got something new off kazaa, the evangelion deleted scenes, why i ask why, why delete such great scenes???