Evangelion: Classic or Overrated?

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Post by Metro » Thu Apr 03, 2003 3:06 pm

dwchang wrote:I'm gonna say Kaji for some odd reason.
Sorry but no. I should mention that Asuka is older in the live action sequence, she is 24.

I also believe that Eva is fundamentaly about how people deal with eachother. Getting people to interact may have been a side goal of Anno. But then again I don't know, I've never talked to the guy :)

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Post by dwchang » Thu Apr 03, 2003 3:11 pm

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dwchang wrote:I'm gonna say Kaji for some odd reason.
Sorry but no. I should mention that Asuka is older in the live action sequence, she is 24.
Oops! Live action...hmm...let's see...well aren't there like only (counting in his head): three male (main) voice actors in the show (Gendo, Fuyutsuki and Kaji)?
metro wrote:I also believe that Eva is fundamentaly about how people deal with eachother. Getting people to interact may have been a side goal of Anno. But then again I don't know, I've never talked to the guy :)
OK good, I think the other things are just "small" things about the "story" (which isn't as important). If we agree on this fundamental point, I think the rest is just interesting discussion...although I still think a lot is in the show, but again that's just me.
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Post by Savia » Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:57 am

So much of the 'facts' of Eva are open to interpretation- but a lot of them AREN'T. I'm not going to get into this whole discussion about Unit-02 having / not havind a soul, as I can see that people are getting bitter about it.

My two cents: the nature of the AT field. It is, as rightly pointed out, the "wall of the soul", what seperates Myself from Yourself and Everyone Else. It is the unpassable wall. Only the angels, the Eva / pilot pairings and Rei have the ability to manifest this wall on a macroscopic scale. Otherwise, the "light of the soul" is not visible. Without the field, everyone's consciousness melds into one- the LCL liquid that is the primordial soup from which all life began. This destruction of the AT field is the aim of Instrumentality.

The tech people in NERV describe the field in terms of an actual physical phenomenon- it has a corresponding "anti-field", produced by the production series Evas. Unit-01 is observed to 'synchronise' it's field with that of the 3rd Angel. Kaworu's field interacts with the physical world, "blocking out" electromagnetic radiation, subatomic particles, etc. It is the ultimate wall. Philosophically speaking, it could be said that the AT field exists in our world- in Eva, the difference is that it can be seen and measured.

Episodes 25 and 26 talk at length about how there is "a Shinji Ikari within the mind" of each of the other characters. This is, philosphically speaking again, how we tell what we are like as human beings. We measure ourselves using everone else a yardstick. If you are 'tall' or 'smart' or 'rude', it is only in comparison to someone else. These comparisons, as well as the interactions of people whose souls are seperated by the AT field, is what leads to pain and suffering. Hence the Human Complementation Project, to end suffering, must break down the field.

As an aside, why it is called the 'Absolute Terror' field I have no idea. Anyone got any idea?

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Post by AtomicWeezleman » Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:01 am

hey everyone, i just had a stuning thought, after asuka defeated the last of the eva series, they should all be dead right?? So, who the bloody hell trew the lance of longinus (replica) at her?? surely this requires an eva to throw but they were all dead/deactivated/in pieces........

answers anyone??

also, never knew about that live action thing, but the rerealease of eva(a god send aparently, with cool music vids with never before seen scenes) might have it in, time to dig deep........again.

also, the end of eoe, was meant to inspire conversations such as these, it's the kind of ending that you walk out of the cinema, get in the car, and say to your friends, "so, what did you think....?"
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Post by Mroni » Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:21 am

Eva sucks stop arguing about the biblical bullcrap. Tell me when shinji had his hands around Asukas throat was she secretly getting wet?


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Post by Metro » Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:36 pm

AtomicWeezleman wrote:hey everyone, i just had a stuning thought, after asuka defeated the last of the eva series, they should all be dead right?? So, who the bloody hell trew the lance of longinus (replica) at her?? surely this requires an eva to throw but they were all dead/deactivated/in pieces........
They regenerate like the angels. In EoE when they all get back up, including the one with spikes still in its head :)
AtomicWeezleman wrote:also, never knew about that live action thing, but the rerealease of eva(a god send aparently, with cool music vids with never before seen scenes) might have it in, time to dig deep........again
I think I heard somewhere it does... not sure though. I do know that the box set comes with a dvd with never before seen footage, so it might be in there.
dwchang wrote:Oops! Live action...hmm...let's see...well aren't there like only (counting in his head): three male (main) voice actors in the show (Gendo, Fuyutsuki and Kaji)?
Fuyutsuki and Asuka? :shock:

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Post by dwchang » Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:48 pm

Savia wrote:My two cents: the nature of the AT field. It is, as rightly pointed out, the "wall of the soul", what seperates Myself from Yourself and Everyone Else. It is the unpassable wall. Only the angels, the Eva / pilot pairings and Rei have the ability to manifest this wall on a macroscopic scale. Otherwise, the "light of the soul" is not visible. Without the field, everyone's consciousness melds into one- the LCL liquid that is the primordial soup from which all life began. This destruction of the AT field is the aim of Instrumentality.
Yup, the purpose was to break down these barriers so we can all be "happy" and "together." Without AT fields there is no hurt and whatnot. However, at the same time Shinji rejects instrumentality and chooses to live "real" life which I found uplifting. Glad we agree :).
savia wrote:The tech people in NERV describe the field in terms of an actual physical phenomenon- it has a corresponding "anti-field", produced by the production series Evas. Unit-01 is observed to 'synchronise' it's field with that of the 3rd Angel. Kaworu's field interacts with the physical world, "blocking out" electromagnetic radiation, subatomic particles, etc. It is the ultimate wall. Philosophically speaking, it could be said that the AT field exists in our world- in Eva, the difference is that it can be seen and measured.
Hey now, I said that earlier :-P. Basically the "ceremony" or whatever of instrumentality creates an anti AT field which causes us to go "pop!" :).
savia wrote:Episodes 25 and 26 talk at length about how there is "a Shinji Ikari within the mind" of each of the other characters. This is, philosphically speaking again, how we tell what we are like as human beings. We measure ourselves using everone else a yardstick. If you are 'tall' or 'smart' or 'rude', it is only in comparison to someone else. These comparisons, as well as the interactions of people whose souls are seperated by the AT field, is what leads to pain and suffering. Hence the Human Complementation Project, to end suffering, must break down the field.
Yes, in Episodes 25 and 26, we see the character in the center and everyone talking to them, like you said judging them and also us seeing ourselves through others eye (something about there are a number of Shinji's since there is one in each of our minds).

As you also said, this is what separates us via the AT field. As I have said earlier, the Hedgehogs Dilemna is the best analogy. The closer we get to each other, the high the possibility we can of hurting each other (and the hurt being worse). This the reason Shinji closes himself off since if you don't get close, you can't get hurt. However, if AT fields are broken down, we can all be happy. However, as I said, Shinji rejects this and chooses to live "real" life regardless of the pain that can occur. Instrumentality and Human Complementation Project would create happiness, but it's more of a fabricated happiness. True happiness is found in "real" life through our own efforts...or at least that's what I got out of the show.

Glad we see eye to eye.
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Post by dwchang » Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:52 pm

Mroni wrote:Eva sucks stop arguing about the biblical bullcrap. Tell me when shinji had his hands around Asukas throat was she secretly getting wet?
Mr. Oni, why do you always got be like this? This is public forum and you can choose not to read this thread. You are obviously coming in and reading a thread that annoys you so first off, so that's your fault.

Secondly, as I said, this is a public forum and we feel like discussing Evangelion because we see things differently than yourself and enjoy sharing ideas. I wouldn't complain if you started a thread about your pedophillic tendencies (although I think the moderators might). I don't think you have any right to tell us to stop discussing a topic that you can just as easily ignore.

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Post by dwchang » Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:53 pm

Metro wrote:
dwchang wrote:Oops! Live action...hmm...let's see...well aren't there like only (counting in his head): three male (main) voice actors in the show (Gendo, Fuyutsuki and Kaji)?
Fuyutsuki and Asuka? :shock:
But am I right? :-P

You also gotta realize this IS the Japanese...nobody can deny that they are some of the most pedophillic cultures out there (hence the "younger" female teens in most shows and whatnot).
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Post by Kracus » Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:54 pm

classically overrated classic

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