End of Eva idea...

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Wed Nov 27, 2002 4:00 am

Well... then you missed the whole show, didn't you.

IN THE TV SHOW, SHINJI DID NOT CHOOSE THE FALSE REALITY!!!!

HE DIDN'T!

If you didn't even figure that out, you just shouldn't be watching the show!

They don't applaud Shinji for choosing the fake reality! They applaud him because he chooses reality... he has found his self worth and he is willing to take on the pains life has to offer!!

The episode is called "The Beast Who Shouted "I""

Man is the beast that shouts I! We are the only race that actually grasps the concept of identity...

Shinji finds it and he is the Beast that shouts I!!

I - as in I, myself... an acknowledgement of the self!

Shinji comes to terms with himself and REJECTS instrumentality!!!!

THE WHOLE MESSAGE OF THE TV SHOW IS AN EMPOWERING MESSAGE OF HOW WE MUST GO THROUGH THE TRIALS OF FINDING OUR OWN SELF IMAGE AND OUR OWN VALUE IN THIS WORLD!

There are other more complicated issues discussed in the TV show...but DAMN! It's the f'in' title! And it's written in ENGLISH...

THE BEAST THAT SHOUTED "I"

Can't you even figure that one out???

As for the movie...

the bodies BECOME the LCL fluid...

There are two possibilities here...
1) The People can CHOOSE to redefine themselves as individuals and they will regain their form. This seemed implied in the movie...

2) If Shinji holds the future in his hands... and he chooses to live in the world rather than just be part of a mass-mind... then he would have to restore the people.

I'm not sure which is the more accurate here... but it's not that important... because all that matters is Shinji chooses to live again as man, amongst men. He is willing to deal with the pains that life has to offer, because he now has an understanding of his self and his own sense of worth will give him the strength to seek out what he desires in his life and be what he chooses...

He chooses life over non-existance
He chooses self over compliance
He chooses real over illusion.

-Uncle Milo

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:30 am

http://www.evaotaku.com/html/evafaq2.html

evafaq2.htm wrote:In the TV ending Shinji chose to stay with Complementation - it isn't even clear that Shinji had a choice at all. He is treated as little more than an example of the process of Complementation - which consisted if breaking down Shinji's link to reality. In the end, Shinji looks at the world of Complementation and smiling happily says "I understand! I can exist here!" He is then congratulated for his decision, by friends living and dead (Kaji), a healthy Touji with his leg still on, and even PenPen. A surreal ending scene to say the least. This ending is similar in context and theme to the ending of George Orwell's book, 1984.

Conversely, the film ends in the opposite manner. Shinji does have a choice and in the last moments of the film utterly rejects Complementation precisely because it eliminates the link to reality, it establishes a false paradise. Complementation is basically a cop-out, and Shinji has matured enough to realize this. The tone at the end of the film isn't a surreal, almost drug-induced, joyful "Congratulations!" for Shinji, but the cold and harsh reality of life.

Further, the Newtype Filmbook description for the scene states (literally):
"Amidst the many words of congratulations, a faint smile starts at the corners of Shinji's mouth (and spreads across his face).
A happy face -- that is the figure of the Complemented Shinji. This conclusion is also one form, one possibility among many."
(Translated by Bochan Bird)

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:04 pm

And just so you know I think the series ending would have been crappier if it meant that he DIDN'T choose complimentation.