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Post by Tsuji Mania » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:49 pm

Even with all this, and the anime that is directed to younger audiences, all you have to do is understand it at a more mature level. Pokémon, it's primarily aimed at children, well I'm pretty sure, but if you think about the plot and the ideas more thoroughly, it becomes more interesting than just some kid with little monsters that he does the same thing over, and over, and over... Although this is true . Anyways, that's how i love almost all anime, I just understand it differently.
Sorry, Pokemon is a cartoon that only teaches basic societal interactions hopes and dreams. There is nothing deep. Watching it is only a way to convey to children how to carry on their lives.

I also regret to use the Shinseki Evangelion crutch that almost every anime fan falls on or waves around like a banner.

Eva is essentially Hideaki whining about his life. He even stated that to appreciate the series, one must drop all the religious jargon and symbolism because it means nothing, it is simply there to be an interesting as well as confusing backdrop for people who are unfamilliar with those religions. The Christian and Jewish religions are mashed together, and even archaic Jewish philosophy is included in the series, all at once. It makes no sense, it's just there for fun and speculation.

The true meaning is Hideaki's recovery via the character Ikari Shinji. That is the essence of the entire story.

So I think Eva represents an excellent psycholigical commentary, but not neccessarily a good societal one. Although one can extrapolate Hideaki's feelings on/towards modern society visa vi Shinji's interactions with those around him, it is my personal opinion that we're only seeing how Hideaki viewed the world at a time when he was mentally unstable. For a better look at society as studied through Japanese animation, one must consider the superb NieA_7. This series, although highly biased, is a man's interpretation of the culture's of the world merging together in Japan, and how they affect it for better or for worse. Although I myself have not been able to understand everything the series has to offer, there are certainly several parallels that I can draw between that fictional world and our own.

Anyway, the long and short of it is, Pokemon teaches Kindergarten-like values about how to be a good person, how to interact with friends, etc. It's a teaching (as well as selling) device. It is not in any way shape or form thought-provoking.

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Post by belkram23 » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:23 pm

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Anyway, the long and short of it is, Pokemon teaches Kindergarten-like values about how to be a good person, how to interact with friends, etc. It's a teaching (as well as selling) device. It is not in any way shape or form thought-provoking.
pokemon does have many values and lessons to teach to kids, but that doesnt mean it cant be enjoyed without learning something. thoughts, and values and issues that can be applied to daily life certainly makes an anime interesting and adds to the enjoyment, but you can enjoy it simply because there are a bunch of robots smashing each other, or a bunch of cute little creatures fighting. i enjoyed the thought provoking social and psychological issues presented, but one could just as easily enjoy the relationships between the characters, or the cool giant robots blowing up things.

as much fun as it is to analyze anime and find how it applies to daily life, the true long and short of it is that its meant to be entertainment. and if you enjoy it, for whatever reason, then its served its purpose.

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Post by belkram23 » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:28 pm

besides which, brock cracks me up :)

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Post by Tsuji Mania » Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:58 pm

i enjoyed the thought provoking social and psychological issues presented, but one could just as easily enjoy the relationships between the characters, or the cool giant robots blowing up things.
And I never said I didn't like series like Pokemon. Otherwise I could not like DBZ as much as did.

I hate Japanese anime fans who jump on the l337 bandwagon thinking anything that isn't the creation of personal pain and torment is inferior.
Sometimes I just wanna have fun and watch stupid crap. That's what stuff like Love Hina, Pokemon and Digimon are there for.

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Post by belkram23 » Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:03 pm

ahhh thank you for clarifying. yeah i agree sometimes i wanna think, or sometimes i wanna just watch something that'll make me laugh. what i was saying though, is that although something that may seem to be ridiculous and cutesy or simple, may have another level to it that can cause some thought. dbz is a good example. i like dbz alot. because its funny and guys are beating the crap out of each other. however i also like it because i find the whole 'ki' thing very interesting. especially when gohan is teaching videl. however the generic energy blasts get annoying after a while. typical situation: oh my, he shot an energy blast at that guy. wow what a surprise he knocked it away. look now he's shooting his own energy blast, :-o it exploded!!! did he die? i dunno gotta wait 5 minutes for the dust to settle. ^_^ that being the one thing i find annoying about dbz.

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Post by Anime Jedi » Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:07 pm

Tsuji Mania wrote:
Even with all this, and the anime that is directed to younger audiences, all you have to do is understand it at a more mature level. Pokémon, it's primarily aimed at children, well I'm pretty sure, but if you think about the plot and the ideas more thoroughly, it becomes more interesting than just some kid with little monsters that he does the same thing over, and over, and over... Although this is true . Anyways, that's how i love almost all anime, I just understand it differently.
Sorry, Pokemon is a cartoon that only teaches basic societal interactions hopes and dreams. There is nothing deep. Watching it is only a way to convey to children how to carry on their lives.

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Anyway, the long and short of it is, Pokemon teaches Kindergarten-like values about how to be a good person, how to interact with friends, etc. It's a teaching (as well as selling) device. It is not in any way shape or form thought-provoking.
Sorry? You make it sound like your sorry to hear that I'm wrong and you are right. :?

Anyways, whatever happened to the whole Beauty is in the eye of the beholder stuff. When you watch or see something, it all depends on the person about how much you get out of it. Some feel that the ideas and situations are able to be used in other senses as well as the way that they are directly shown, others believe otherwise.

And I would have to say that giving people hopes and dreams can definitely be soething quite deep. :D

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Post by Tsuji Mania » Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:36 pm

Well ki isn't exactly an original concept. It's a common belief...but it doesn't extend to the point where people can create nuclear explosions. It's just an idea of your connection with your surroundings. For Akira Toriyama, it was simply another excuse to make characters more powerful. This is something he clearly spoke about in an interview. He was always searching for ways to make characters more powerful, so he elaborated on the idea of ki.

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Post by belkram23 » Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:05 pm

i didnt say it was original. but its one of the few i've seen that goes so far. and if one actually believes in ki i think what is shown would be quite plausible, provided one could attain a level as high as they do. and although its a very small point, i also like how their ki kinda affects the things around and within their aura, like the rocks floating and stuff. not a big deal, i just think its pretty neat. i also like how all their blasts when they land are very similar to atomic blasts complete with little mushroom clouds. it serves as kind of a reference to compare their power to. kinda off topic though :oops:

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Post by f~a~e~r~i~e » Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:59 pm

definately not all animes are childish.

I'm very fortunate that almost everyone in the whole school has seen an episode of dbz or pokemon but only about a dozen have ever seen such animes like evangelion, serial experiments lain, gundam wing, sorcerer hunters (i think the first parts sorcerer.).

Trust me, anyone that thinks smoke coming out of your fingers, setting yourself on fire, people getting shot and blood splattering on your face, that little girl from gundam wing getting killed and heero carring her dog away, asuka going kinda crazy (ok. really crazy), boy, have they got to be really ignorant or just plain stupid.

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Post by RadicalEd0 » Fri Nov 08, 2002 12:21 am

just dont rub those details into them too much or they'll think you've gone maverick in the brain and want to kill everyone (okay, so 90 days out of 100 that's true, but you get the idea)
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