Discussion of a Character- Asuka

Digitalex · Post by **Digitalex** » Tue May 10, 2005 11:25 pm

Tainted_Eden wrote:*dies from laughing* Aahahaha, I wuv you Digitalex!! Nice, nice, definte Asuka lover ye be! Anno, I must disagree with making Shinji into a "man".

hehe thanks.

Just 'cause he didn't grab her ass and made hot rabid bunny sex to her at that moment doesn't mean he's a guy. To me, he's more like an uke. >> I know, odd term but I can't really say much else 'bout it. Shinji doesn't seem the type to take control.

If anything, Asuka would be the one takin' charge of that relationship. *gags* I'd loathe to see that. Those two are defintely NOT for each other. Asuka would just feel more like a guy, because she's the type to feel that if she's a girl, then she should be treated like a girl with a man's right.... Gack, did that make sense?

It makes sense, I can see where you are coming from.

Anyway, I'd much rather see Shinji and Rei, or Shinji and Kaoru. At least those two gave Shinji the patience and love he needed. Neither would really harm him or whatnot. >> Gah, gomen, if you can see, I'm a Shinji fan. He's such a freakin' kicked down puppy that needs care!!

LOL! Yes I can tell you're a Shinji fan. I see Asuka the way you see Shinji.

I can definitely see how Rei could pair with him as she has shown concern for him quite a few times in the series. The one time in the hospital when she was by his side as he recovered, you can clearly see the tenderness as puppy Shinji was lying in bed. Also the one episode when Rei asked Touji about Shinji' whereabouts and he replied back with a comment about her caring about him afterall displayed her growing affection for puppy boy.

However, the one reason I can't see them together is because they are too similar in their quiet demeanor. I like the fire (or bitchiness depending on who's point of view) in Asuka's eyes and she manages to bring Shinji out of his shell multiple times. To hurt is to love in Asuka's case. That's how I see it.

Besides, I can see Asuka calming down and Shinji kickin' it up a notch after their little mind meld during Instrumentality as they got to see each other's thoughts.

Merm · Post by **Merm** » Wed May 11, 2005 1:00 am

'OHM Asuka Rules'

Its pretty obvious who my favorite is but I think she has a lot more strength than some have made it out to look. It is a rough existence to have a mother not only ignore you but than commit suicide and found by you. She shows a remarkable strength to keep her private sad life out of her regular life. I personally identify with her as I also keep my emotions to myself. She does have a very unenviable job as the fall girl when it comes to the angels. Asuka is usually point and that means that an enemy with unknown powers gets to show his powers on her first. She keeps losing because of that fact. She has to take a lot of punishment from the angels, has to work with people she personally despises, and keep her past from breaking through. Thats a lot of emotional stress for anyone, much less a 14 year old. Keeping it bottled up for that long takes quite a bit of effort. Letting some of it out would have helped the situation but pride gets in the way. I don't think she was weak, but she was too strong and too tough. Trying to prove you are the best has one destructive end.

Tainted_Eden · Post by **Tainted_Eden** » Wed May 11, 2005 3:43 am

Gah, I don't know how to quote well (i get ev'rythin' screwed up) THSU! Names! ^.^

Madbunny: Tee hee! Thanks for sayin' the topic is interesting! ^.^ Anyway, I think that's what Kaji could have been to Asuka. He was a bit older, but mature and tended to view everything analitically. Perhaps if he wasn't so obsessed/in love with Misato then maybe him and Asuka could have, I guess 'hit it off'.

I still agree with ya though. If Asuka would have had a strong, personal role model in her life, she defintely could still be the head strong bitch that people love so much and yet be mature without any sort of emotional burden.

Digitalex: Hm.... I guess Rei and Shinji are a bit too alike. I mean, if Shinji were to go off into his tormented world, Rei would only really provide so much comfort. >> Grrr, now you've persuaded me away from Shinji/Rei. But nuuu! I don't wanna be a rabid yaoi fangirl and think only of Shinji and Kaoru!! DAMN YOU!! *strangles*

Ahem, anyway, maybe Asuka could 'calm down' and Shinji 'kick it up', but truthfully, if it was just the two of them, nothing would be solved. Asuka would just yell and scream, and Shinji would just, well, cry and be a baby. Personally, I believe they'd either kill each other or Shinji would commit suicide. But then Asuka wouldn't let him, 'cause then she'd be alone. >> So.... He'd be a veggie maybe.

Merm: Mmmm, I disagree. Being strong doesn't mean that you keep your emotions bottled up and your emotional scarage and your past locked down tight. Pretty much what Asuka did was to shove it all behind her and try to forget it. To define strength emotionally would mean that she would have to confront her past and deal with it until she's finally okay with it and able to shove it aside without holding any grudges. I mean, she kept going "I won't cry". That doesn't mean she's mature or strong. It just means that she's trying to ignore a part of her that needs to be kindled with.

Merm · Post by **Merm** » Wed May 11, 2005 5:02 am

Tainted_Eden wrote:Merm: Mmmm, I disagree. Being strong doesn't mean that you keep your emotions bottled up and your emotional scarage and your past locked down tight. Pretty much what Asuka did was to shove it all behind her and try to forget it. To define strength emotionally would mean that she would have to confront her past and deal with it until she's finally okay with it and able to shove it aside without holding any grudges. I mean, she kept going "I won't cry". That doesn't mean she's mature or strong. It just means that she's trying to ignore a part of her that needs to be kindled with.

Counter-point: I said she was stronger than what has been said but she was trying to be too tough for real life. I think I probably should have said too tough. She has quite a lot of emotional fortitude to withstand all that pressure.

P.S. I LOVE this topic

bobbarker31 · Post by **bobbarker31** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:06 am

Mom didn't really abandon her... Mom loved her darling Asuka, but it turns out that she thought a bunch of yarn and fabrick was her and not her real daughter. Add to this that Asuka got to watch that doll treated nice instead of her (this is probably where she got her dislike of toy dolls). Asuka's mom committed suicide with her doll. Had she been talking to the real Asuka during that time, Asuka would have likely joined her mother in death.

That there is enough to make someone want to roll over and give up on life... but that is not what happened to Asuka. Asuka IS troubled and she is damaged in many ways and insecure... but I would agree that she is strong as iron to do what she has to do.

Tainted_Eden · Post by **Tainted_Eden** » Sat May 14, 2005 12:48 am

Merm-chan: Stimmt, you are right.... Hehe, and yes, I'm glad that no one has come in here all gung ho, goin' OHM!! YOU NEWBS!! YOU NO NOZING!!

Mr. Barker: First of all, love the show. You roak. Hehe, just kid. Anyway, this is just me tryin' to understand Asuka's past... Nyar, so Asuka pretty much was ignored as a child, no? She watched as a doll was loved more-so by her mother. If that's the reason, wouldn't she have given up on her mother at a young age? I remember ep. 24 (Just watched it today. ^.^ Kaoru-chan! *snuggle*) and she was all "Moma! Lookit me, I'm an elite pilot!". She wanted to show her mother that she was special, and hopefully her mother would look at her instead of the doll... But why would she still cling to that small frail hope that her mom would look at her at all? I don't get that, if you were ignored for so long, what makes you believe that you'll be worthy to look at?

And I have to disagree with you saying that she has an iron will to do what she has to do. I would agree with you, but only before the angel in space thingy. 'Cause she forced back her hatred of Shinji to do that kickin' fighting move together thingy, she kind of took control of the situation when all three pilots were locked out of NERV headquarters.

But it seemed that she completley was torn apart the second her memories resurfaced. Her will was so easily broken by that. So not an iron will... Maybe... Uhm, a plastic one. >> It'll stick togethar but under, uhm, really cold temps, it'll break... *cough*

bobbarker31 · Post by **bobbarker31** » Sat May 14, 2005 11:48 pm

Tainted_Eden wrote: Mr. Barker: First of all, love the show. You roak. Hehe, just kid. Anyway, this is just me tryin' to understand Asuka's past... Nyar, so Asuka pretty much was ignored as a child, no? She watched as a doll was loved more-so by her mother. If that's the reason, wouldn't she have given up on her mother at a young age? I remember ep. 24 (Just watched it today. ^.^ Kaoru-chan! *snuggle*) and she was all "Moma! Lookit me, I'm an elite pilot!". She wanted to show her mother that she was special, and hopefully her mother would look at her instead of the doll... But why would she still cling to that small frail hope that her mom would look at her at all? I don't get that, if you were ignored for so long, what makes you believe that you'll be worthy to look at?

Asuka had memories of her mother loving her. Dr. Soryu's psychosis and rejection of the REAL Asuka was not the natural state of things. Dr. Soryu's mind was shredded in much the same experiments that made Yui Ikari disappear. While Yui's soul went into Unit 1 and Dr. Soryu's soul (Asuka's mother) went into Unit 2, some kind of separation occured where Dr. Soryu's body was still alive and her mind was completely shredded. Her psychosis eventually led her to commit suicide while hanging the doll that she believed to be her daughter. The REAL Asuka like many children who have been abandoned never gave up her hope of being loved and upheld by her mother or others inspite of her treatment. Asuka might have had a better chance if her step mother (pardon the pun) stepped up and filled this gap in her life.

Children (and adults) who are treated this way can at times just try harder thinking that "if only I do this little bit more, they will love me". It can become an obsession for them, not realizing that it has nothing to do with achievement, their behavior, or their actions. Asuka thought that if she showed her mother that she was an elite pilot, that she would be finally recognized by her. Shinji who hated his father was overcome with joy when his father praised him after a mission. Years of hate can be shed away by a simple kind word. It is also a reason why they can reject kindness from others holding out for a slight kindness from just one particular individual.

Asuka resolved herself never to need anyone. She took on the air of an adult and pushed herself so she graduated from college by the time she was 14. She did need the adolation from being an Eva pilot. It gave her definition in life where she valued nothing else that she had or was. Her race to be an adult was overwhelming. It was part of the reason she chased after Kaji and not other boys her age. Kaji would have been and affirmation that she was an adult had he involved himself with her. In the director's cut she pled with him to look at her as she WAS now all grown up.

Tainted_Eden · Post by **Tainted_Eden** » Sun May 15, 2005 5:19 pm

Whoot, thank you very much for explaining that! I kinda understand Asuka a bit better now, even sympathize her. Still won't get me to like the bitch though. >>

Hm, I wonder if Kaji DID begin to get involved with Asuka... I wonder if that would have changed her a bit? Anyone have any thoughts?

supersayian313 · Post by **supersayian313** » Sun May 15, 2005 9:33 pm

i think the show needed someone like asuka. shinji and rei are such pushovers, kinda whinny and willing to do whatever makes someone else happy. she had to be strong because of everything she had to go through during her childhood. she didnt just run away like shinji. im the same way. thats why she is one of my favorites. and she got a good part in my "evangelions walk alone" amv.

Merm · Post by **Merm** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:22 am

Tainted_Eden wrote:Merm-chan...

DAMMIT, WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I AM FEMALE?!
This is, like, the 4th time some one has called me "little lady" or "-chan." It makes me cry...