Well, I agree with her. They may have changed the wording, and yet the characters STILL say practically the same thing in the dub version. When I watch dubs, and see the translation of the subs, most of the times I can see two different sayings from the same character, yet they kept the meaning of what they were trying to say.
So, I agree with Amanda Win-Lee.
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While I dislike dubs, I have to agree with Amanda as well.
When converting from one language to another, there is always going to be a loss in the translation.
My friend Neil is a professional translator and has done the subtitles on a LOT of anime releases in the US.
He knows how to take a line in the Japanese and best translate it into a line that would best express the meaning of the line in a way that we would say it. It's all about knowing the ins and outs of both the Japanese language and thw English language. We are, after all, two completely different cultures.
I also know many voice directors... and their job is to change things from the written word to the spoken word. You may not realize this, but there are ways of saying thing that work well when written, but not as well when spoken. Some voice directors are very attuned to this and will change lines to sound more "spoken" than "written"
One voice director I respect says "if the dub has the same lines as the sub, then you've probably got a bad dub."
However...some voice directors take HUGE liberties with the script and that is also bad...
Of course, there are so many other things that happen that can ruin a translation on both the sub and dub levels (moreso on the dub side)
You can get execs from US or Japan coming in and messing with things.
You can get translators who don't understand important things they need to know about the title.
Here's an example...
My friend Neil did the subtitles for "Ghost in the Shell". At one point in the movie, a character quotes the Bible... and Neil recognized the quote and took the exact line from the Bible itself for the translation (because the Japanese translation of the line was a little odd compared to the actual quote).
Neil's subtitle script was the basis for the dub script... but the voice director apparently didn't recognize the line as being a quote and changed the wording to something else...
This is bad, because the significance of the character quoting the Bible is lost if you don't even have the damn quote write and just act like it's any ol' piece of dialougue.
There are so many stupid things that go on...
Oh yes... sometimes lines get mangled so that the synch will be better... and that leads into my whole anger against people who actually think synch is such a big deal. I couldn't care less how well the lines and the lips synch up and I think too many people are a bit too uptight on that issue.
Anyway... just thought I'd rant a little.
-Uncle Milo
When converting from one language to another, there is always going to be a loss in the translation.
My friend Neil is a professional translator and has done the subtitles on a LOT of anime releases in the US.
He knows how to take a line in the Japanese and best translate it into a line that would best express the meaning of the line in a way that we would say it. It's all about knowing the ins and outs of both the Japanese language and thw English language. We are, after all, two completely different cultures.
I also know many voice directors... and their job is to change things from the written word to the spoken word. You may not realize this, but there are ways of saying thing that work well when written, but not as well when spoken. Some voice directors are very attuned to this and will change lines to sound more "spoken" than "written"
One voice director I respect says "if the dub has the same lines as the sub, then you've probably got a bad dub."
However...some voice directors take HUGE liberties with the script and that is also bad...
Of course, there are so many other things that happen that can ruin a translation on both the sub and dub levels (moreso on the dub side)
You can get execs from US or Japan coming in and messing with things.
You can get translators who don't understand important things they need to know about the title.
Here's an example...
My friend Neil did the subtitles for "Ghost in the Shell". At one point in the movie, a character quotes the Bible... and Neil recognized the quote and took the exact line from the Bible itself for the translation (because the Japanese translation of the line was a little odd compared to the actual quote).
Neil's subtitle script was the basis for the dub script... but the voice director apparently didn't recognize the line as being a quote and changed the wording to something else...
This is bad, because the significance of the character quoting the Bible is lost if you don't even have the damn quote write and just act like it's any ol' piece of dialougue.
There are so many stupid things that go on...
Oh yes... sometimes lines get mangled so that the synch will be better... and that leads into my whole anger against people who actually think synch is such a big deal. I couldn't care less how well the lines and the lips synch up and I think too many people are a bit too uptight on that issue.
Anyway... just thought I'd rant a little.
-Uncle Milo
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Those who divide people into two kinds of groups
and those who don't.
Those who divide people into two kinds of groups
and those who don't.
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Hey, I was going to do that.angel_killer_777 wrote:I found the lines for the English DVD.klinky wrote:I saw a clip of it, the scene where shinji is about to be killed but wonderful Misato comes and saves him
In the Japanese version the guys are saying "don't hate me kid", then Misato comes running in and shoots them all. Puts one up against the wall and says "Don't hate me..." and pulls the trigger. In the Dub~ she puts him against the wall and says something like "Right back at you!". Something is lost with that :\ It's not the SAME!
~klinky
Soldiers line:
"We've located the Third Child. Commencing termination. Sorry, kid. Nothing personal." -bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, -
Misato's line:
dub: "Heh, no offense taken." -bang, splater-
sub: "Nothing personal here either." -bang, splater-
Oh well, you beat me to the punch. 
But that scene was pretty cool. They even managed to add in some more sound effects for the "Misato blows guy's head off." part. Extra squishy, slimy sound!-
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well this is barry posting now (the one who always does...)
i honestly couldnt care less about what they do, its their job not mine, its kinda like being a backseat driver. I decided to post since my sis did and im bored, in case anyone was interested why im posting if those are my beliefs.
i jsut thought id say that i dont mind what they did, but if i were to do it myself, i would not act according to Amanda Winn-Lee's logic
everyone do me a favor and just ignore me and dont reply to my post specifically, that way i dont need to reply back... (the epitome of lazyness)
i honestly couldnt care less about what they do, its their job not mine, its kinda like being a backseat driver. I decided to post since my sis did and im bored, in case anyone was interested why im posting if those are my beliefs.
i jsut thought id say that i dont mind what they did, but if i were to do it myself, i would not act according to Amanda Winn-Lee's logic
everyone do me a favor and just ignore me and dont reply to my post specifically, that way i dont need to reply back... (the epitome of lazyness)