Pink Floyd's The Wall > NGE?

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:01 pm

Scintilla wrote:
Moonlight Soldier wrote:/takes note of new banner... *flies off to download Fantasia*
WTH, it's <i>done?!</i>

Crap, I should put a note saying that it's still 'in progress'

Give us another month or so

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:26 pm

But we digress...

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:55 pm

Mao chan is better than both

Mr Oni

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:01 pm

Mroni wrote:Mao chan is better than both

Mr Oni

Well, better or not, certainly more wackable than abstract art produced by delusional dudes

Moonlight Soldier · Post by **Moonlight Soldier** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:40 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Scintilla wrote:
Moonlight Soldier wrote:/takes note of new banner... *flies off to download Fantasia*
WTH, it's <i>done?!</i>

Crap, I should put a note saying that it's still 'in progress'

Give us another month or so

Tease

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:24 am

I HAVENT SURRENDERED MY SOAPBOX YET!

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:00 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:Seriously, They're the exact same thing. Take the absurd Giant Robot's and religious alegory and whiny shinji out of NGE and you've got, The Wall.

The Wall also had better animation quality.

Oh come on! I'm a HUGE Pink Floyd fan, they're my second favorite band and I have 15 albums by them. But The Wall better than Neon Genesis Evangelion? Why even discuss such a thing? How about dicuss how they are similar, with love for both parties? One note - this is far from an EVA vs Rah debate, since odds are Anno never heard the Wall, and obviously Roger & the crew never saw Evangelion because it was made many years later.

The Wall and Evangelion both have very similar messeges and they both rely heavily on the mental wall (or AT field as Evangelion would call it!) that we harbor, but they are still very different. The Wall is a descending trip from one man's mind into the depths and his surealistic reenterance into society with some newfound wisdom. Evangelion is a story of many different characters, with multiple stories put together to express more ideas.

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:07 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:
Otohiko wrote:you > me

because I'm not objective and, apparently, thou art
I can tell you this. NGE looses points in the originality department. I'm also fairly certain that while alot of people are DUMBSTRUCK by the awsome theme NGE has, none of them will know what The Wall even IS.

I beg to differ! Let's see, there's you and me, and I know FOUR other Pink Floyd fans that are Evangelion fans. (2 of which I met online, one on Anime Nation and one on PinkFloyd-Co, and 2 of which I know in real life, both of 'em are friends of mine. Plus, once on AN there was a thread about the Wall and Eva, and a few other people talked about the similarities of Shinji's case and Pink's case, so I guess that's some more people) Okay so that's not many people, but you're going to diss Evangelion's originality based on the Wall? Come on, ideas aren't new! Don't fool yourself, everything has been thought before. How it is done is what counts, and it's impossible to deny that EVA and The Wall are two significantly (supremely, actually) different approaches. I wish more EVA fans an anime fans in general would experience The Wall and Pink Floyd, but they're both amazing and to choose one over the other is simply based on specifics, not something you could use to declare one is better than the other.

Actually, a side note, one year in English class we were lucky enough to get to choose whatever subject we wanted to write a big paper about for our final assignment. I chose to do a psychological paper about the story of The Wall and what is going on mentally & physically. It was pretty sweet

Shinji and Pink do have a heck of a lot in common, that much is true.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:25 pm

Doesn't matter if Gainax knew about the wall or not. They are so similar even if it's a coincidence that The Wall gets the tip of the hat for originality since it came first,

once on AN there was a thread about the Wall and Eva, and a few other people talked about the similarities of Shinji's case and Pink's case

And you just admitted here that Pink and Shinji have similarities. Lets go over the list.

1. Same message about destroying the walls that seperate humankind.

2. Protagonist has issues with his mother affecting the way he raltes to people later in life.

3. Both the ending of NGE and all of the Wall occurs in the minds of the main character, as they go over their past and try to sort out their lives.

4. Both of them end with the main character realizing their self worth.

Yes, one was a cartoon about giant robots, the other was a rock opera, but the theme is EXACTLY THE SAME. Two roads to get to the same place, but Floyd got their first, and if I had to compare the last two eps of NGE to The Wall, I'd have to say I liked the wall more.

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:01 pm

But main-central-theme isn't all there is to a story! There are also lesser themes, and a whole host of other things that are important. Pink Floyd got there first, but do you really expect yourself to know everthying that exists? There's probably something like The Wall that came even earlier. It's not an immensely unique idea, lots of people have thought of it.

And wouldn't a better qoute to use have been when I said "Shinji and Pink do have a heck of a lot in common, that much is true." ?

Anyway, the theme is the same, but the roads and destination are still different. You take more from a series than the theme alone, therefore while the theme may be the main part of the destination, you also have other things like lesser themes and feelings and ideas in your head. All of these things are things that The Wall and Evangelion do not sure. They're very different, and while it's logical to some extent to give The Wall the up because it came first, it's really pretty silly to do so because EVA and The Wall are completely unrelated and pretty different. If we're talking about main central theme and nothing else, then you're right that it makes sense to give the up to The Wall for coming first (even though they're undoubtably not the first people to have ever thought of it, so it could be considered silly by some) but for the stories as a whole, there are other factors that anyone has to consider before they can decide which is better.