Inuyasha surpassing the manga? Say it aint so

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Inuyasha surpassing the manga? Say it aint so

Post by Kearly » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:03 am

I read an *old interview (2001) today in the newest issue of Newtype. In an interview with Inuyasha's principal director, he admitted that the series is easily outpacing Rumiko Takahashi's original manga. At that time he estimated that the show would catch up with the Manga by about episode 50. The thing is, I've only seen the first 52 episodes of Inuyasha (in order, many times) due to the fact that adult swim has only that many episodes to work with. The show (for me) went from being a "meh" anime to a "wow" anime in the stretch from ep. 14 to ep 35., then the anime seemed to "degenerate" to a pure action anime after 35 until about ep 48 or so, when I think the show became as good as it ever was; an incredible character driven emotional drama.

When episode 52 ended, it restored my faith in the series and left hope for "future" episodes of the show (i refuse to watch the fansubs). However this news troubles me. From what I have seen of the show later (clips etc), it seems that it once again falls into the formula of an action anime and forgets what makes it one the best animes out there; its rich character development, genuine emotion, original storyline, original character conflicts, and intriguing character relationships (naraku and kikyo anyone?). The "news" that episodes after approx episode 50 might not be based off of Takahashi's work further enhances this discomfort. Obviously, with less original material to adapt, the director will be forced to conpletely diverge from the manga, and would likely rely more on action and filler episodes.

I have talked to a lot of people who have seen the fansubs and no one really seems to have even noticed this or have reported any letdown, however, a majority of Inuyasha fans (or at least male inu yasha fans) are into the series for its action. The action in the series is good, but I have always felt that it took important screen time away from character development (theres enough but more would be better). Anyway, anyone here know more about this manga/series inconistency debacle? I dont read the manga and I'm sure many people on this site have a very good idea of how the two currently relate (no spoilers please :wink: )

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Post by Moonlight Soldier » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:16 am

I have yet to read the Inuyasha manga, so I honestly can't comment, however, the fact that the series is already on about episode 140 *approximation* and still going with 3 movies under its belt must mean that it's doing something right. According to some people I talk to, there appears to be a lot of 'filler' episodes in the anime, that really don't have anything to do with the plotline, but just act as comedy or something. So from what I understand, you get a glimpse of the real story but it's spaced out more. Though let's be honest, most of the time the two don't correlate very well and the anime/manga scene both differ in plot and character. In anime they have a tendency to add in characters that weren't in the manga for example, and why am I telling you this, I'm sure you realize it...meh...it's late, and apparently I feel like typing.

Anyways, if you want to check it out for yourself, I know that this a good site for such things, though it may reveal spoilers so be careful of what you read. http://www.furinkan.com/iycompanion/intro/

Also I wouldn't call it incredibly original with the character conflicts and plot line if you consider the typical archetype of said sort of story. Though by all means, that doesn't change my view of it. I love my Inuyasha ^-^

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Post by EarthCurrent » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:32 am

There's little "original" about Inu Yasha. Takahashi just takes her small portfolio of overused archtypal personalities, gives them some slightly different character designs (by different, I mean different hair 'cause all that really differentiate anything in a typical Takahashi character is the hair), and puts them in a setting borrowing heavily from Fire Tripper and a few other feudal stories from Rumic World.

It might be original if she were "borrowing" from other manga-ka and putting a different twist on their ideas, but with Inu Yasha, she's just rehashing her own works.

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Post by Trident » Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:59 am

I've only read through vol. 6 of the manga, so I can't say where it differentiantes, but as of ep 130 (the last one I've seen)--well, too much stuff happened with the main plotline for me to imagine at least those being vastly different from the manga. Though I'm sure some of the filler eps are different (hence the term "filler"), they actually develop some of the characters better than the manga itself might. Most of the Shippou-focused eps, for example, were probably fillers, but in them he actually *gasp* does stuff, unlike in the main story arcs where he exists solely as the obligatory cute mascot.

My point: even the filler eps thus far have been good, and I don't think the series has jumped the shark quite yet, at the very least...
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Post by Kearly » Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:55 am

Moonlight Soldier wrote:I have yet to read the Inuyasha manga.... Though let's be honest, most of the time the two don't correlate very well and the anime/manga scene both differ in plot and character.
Also I wouldn't call it incredibly original with the character conflicts and plot line if you consider the typical archetype of said sort of story.
EarthCurrent wrote:There's little "original" about Inu Yasha. Takahashi just takes her small portfolio of overused archtypal personalities, gives them some slightly different character designs (by different, I mean different hair 'cause all that really differentiate anything in a typical Takahashi character is the hair), and puts them in a setting borrowing heavily from Fire Tripper and a few other feudal stories from Rumic World.

It might be original if she were "borrowing" from other manga-ka and putting a different twist on their ideas, but with Inu Yasha, she's just rehashing her own works.
According to the director, the only major difference between the two in the first 2 seasons of the show was, well nothing really. He said that he made kikyo less "harsh" in the series. Thats about it.

Well, no surprise, I really disagree with that. I believe that Inuyasha is two stories, the first is a really gripping story of betrayal, regret, and "coulda/shoulda's." The other is the main plot itself, the *admittably dumbed down almost formula action based storyline (because the show runs in primetime and is hugely popular, targeting all age groups). I say admittably because the director confessed as much in the Newtype interview. As far as "borrowing" goes, I dont consider myself a RT expert, but I know that she primarily relies on light hearted life centered comedies, like Ranma 1/2 and Maison Ikkoku. I also know she has lightly dabbled in some dark waters, but not in terms of a long running manga or huge TV series (not enough material to rehash a long running manga and 140+ episode series). More on this later. I believe that she has a touch for endearing comedy, but I wouldnt call most of it "rehashing." The furthest extent of rehashing I have detected is these two things: The "Sit" maneuver, that is a cute girl beating up her male companion for unfair or uninformed reasons. THe other is the "rock-on" hand gesture (pinkie, thumb, and index finger extended), which is used (rarely) when a character is blown up, flattened, etc. This was (I think) just a signiture of hers, as it is used in her previous works.
Spoiler wrote:The Kikyo/Inuyasha relationship was well set up in the anime. They wait until her apparent 2nd death to really spill the beans about her life and how she was really a victim instead of a villain. Most people see her as "stubborn" in death, but if you pay close attention at key points in the series (listen to the Monk who is killed by kikyo around episode 20), you see that she is actually "forced" to hold on to her hate in order to remain in the plane of the living. She stays in this plane because she never stopped loving inuyasha and because it is the only way for her to remain with him, the only other way being to kill Inuyasha herself (So they "could be together in hell" as she put it). That situation is a contradiction so complete its mind boggling to most people and I believe they fail to understand her miserable situation (No matter what she does, its seems she cannot "win"). In addition to that, she must come to terms with the fact that her love is selfish and that she has other reasons to survive. There are times when Naraku and Kikyo almost seem to be flirting with each other (remember that Onigumo's infatuation for Kikyo was the catalyst for his transformation).
To me this is irony on a Shakespearean level. The Naraku/Kikyo/inuyasha relationship is the most amazing and mindblowing character relationship I have ever seen in anything, (not just anime). I can understand how so many people miss it, because it takes it little bit of probing and understanding to even understand Kikyo's apparently insane behavior. I'm sure to many people, they only see a good guy fighting a bad guy with a crazy bitch intervening for no reason, which on the surface on could make an arguement that it is generic, but that arguement is both shallow and disturbingly overaccepted (to me).

If that is REALLY a rehash of something, I WANT TO SEE IT.
Spoiler wrote:I found the Sango saga to be nearly equally as emotional. Its a shame they brought Kohaku back to life, and I think leaving Sango as "dead" would have been a nice surprise as well. I also liked how Rin dies, in a very sad, tragic manner. I think reviving her was a mistake, because it undid one of the better moments in the show I thought. Inuyasha is not my favorite anime series, but it would be if it took things a bit farther and was a little "ballsier", (no offense) instead of also having to be friendly for younger viewers and the mainstream japanese audience.
The series rides on those three stories, (maybe a 4th story would be miroku's history). Well, that is, the "good" part of the series relies on those stories. Admittably, too much of the show is distracted by sometimes mindless action and oversimplified sub-villians (this is the part of the show I don't like). Character designs obviously have the RT signature (hairstyle, eyes, etc) but they are not rehashes at all, with perhaps the minor exception of Koga and Ryoga, they both wear yellowish bandanas, can run well, look slightly similar, are the principal rival of the principal protagonist, and are involved in a similar love rivalry.
Inuyasha may have some situational similarities to Ranma Saotome, but they are shallow ones. Ranma would never admit to having feelings for anyone (perhaps because he had none), whereas Inuyasha realizes that he is in love with two women and must live with that situation. I think when you really analyse RT's various animes, you will find again and again that every series she makes begins with shallow similarities to her others, but it eventually creates its own mood and identity. I would say for example, that of all her works, Inuyasha stands out the most. Its may have some romantic comedy elements, but it isnt a fraction the romantic comedy that Ranma 1/2 was, and conversely, Ranma 1/2 isn't nearly as dark. The moods of the two shows are almost opposites.

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Post by Trident » Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:05 pm

*scratches head, decides to borrow Ranma 1/2 from a friend*

I'm actually not thrilled with Sango except as a foil to Miroku. I don't know why. Maybe I feel like she just never really did anything until around ep 90 or so. *shrug* I feel like Kouga's developed as much as Sango, if not more, and I think the series would have worked almost as well had she just been a recurring character like Kouga or Kikyo or Sesshoumaru. But...eh, she's a regular, and... well... I guess in the end it is fun to watch Miroku squirm on a regular basis....
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Post by Yukina_Raven » Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:12 pm

Going back to Kearly's concern, there is A LOT of action in later episodes. Espically the saga with the Seven Man Army. Currently, the anime has been showing nothing but filler episodes. I enjoy filler episodes, but most people don't. Filler episodes are nessacery for Inu-Yasha because they have to let the manga get far ahead of the anime before they can contuine with new episodes. I think the anime gets back on track sometime in January (this is all in Japan, mind you). If your worried about action, don't be. There is plenty of it! :D The manga, currently, is leaving off with lots of tension and cliffhangers. Tension not only in the since of 'what's going to happen next?' but also surrounding the characters.
In case people don't know what's going on the manga, you can go here: http://www.wot-club.org.uk/Inuyasha/
For the anime, I'd recommend these site in addition to the one Moonlight soilder gave: http://inuyasha-info.virtue.nu/
The manga seems to be coming to an end, and yet it still could have a ways to go. As far as the episodes in America, Adult Swim promised to show new episodes this month, but their schedule on their site says otherwise. Grrr...I want new episodes! :x
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Post by Trident » Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:48 pm

It could be ending... but I'm not convinced (mind, I didn't look at the manga). Actually, if they manage to kill off Naraku and all of his avatars (for lack of a better term) right away after all of the Shikon shards are gathered, I'd be really surprised and probably somewhat disappointed. At this point, if it ends before reaching ep 200, it either went too long (there was a good ending point at 120 or so, but the series, to the shock of many, no doubt, continued) or ended too soon. *shrug* Even after the shards are gathered and Naraku is completely killed, I kind of doubt it'll end right away... that'll be the beginning of the end, sure, but there are still fates to be determined...
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Post by J-0080 » Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:21 am

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