will you boycott windup???

[joevil2023]

i recommend it,

sure the runners of this site wont admit it, but its obvious, with windup being in charge of creed "Scott stapp", evenesence, and the other band that it IS wind up record

i will NOT buy any other record from wind up, and if i ever see them again ill probably kick there greedy corporate j/offs in the shin

will you keep buying those corporate sons of female dogs albumbs

also remember not to blame it on the bands

the bands wouldn't mind the fandom
blame it on the record companies!!!

[Kariudo]

just out of curiosity...
did you even read the threads in site announcements related to this topic?
even if you did...I draw your attention to one of Phade's posts

Hey All,

I just wanted to clarify several things about the recent issue with some downloads and the fallout that has affected this site since then. Please read this entire post slowly and carefully.

Here in the United States, we have this thing called “copyright”. It enables anyone who creates a creative work to have exclusive rights to their own work for a limited time. This applies to anyone and you if you create anything like a poem, painting, novel, sculpture, song, and so forth. If you would like to keep the enforceability of the copyright on your works, you must take measures to defend your copyright if someone infringes upon your copyright according to the law. This is how the laws work.

Lawyers (though some may disagree) are generally regular people just like everyone else. They go to work every day and do their job. The job of a lawyer is to deal with anything that is put on their desk by their clients. If their clients don’t put things on their desk, the lawyer would much rather do other things like to go home to their families, go to movies, ski, and do all the normal things that everyone else likes to do.

Here is how all of this relates to us: A fan was confused about some Evanescence AMVs found on this site. For some reason, the fan decided to attempt to contact Evanescence and ask if the band had created the videos. Whoever received the message from the fan placed the question on the desk of the band’s lawyer so that they could best answer the fan’s question. The lawyer then asked the band’s licensing department if our site had a license to offer Evanescence AMVs. Since the answer was “no” and the band would like to maintain the enforceability of the copyright on their songs, the lawyer had no choice but to take some kind of action.

The laws concerning copyright in the United States give the copyright holder a wide variety of tools in order to deal with potential copyright infringement. These tools vary in the amount of the severity of action that can be taken. The severity goes from mildly unpleasant to extremely unpleasant for the potential infringer.

The lawyer in our case took (what I believe to be) the minimum action needed to successfully defend their client’s copyright: They asked us nicely to stop. Of all the blows that could have been dealt to this site, this was the nicest one possible under current laws.

During the conversation with the lawyer about the remedy needed, I did ask about the possibility of somehow becoming legitimate by some kind of licensing agreement. Their reply was that there are several large issues for a site like ours to obtain a license due to the nature of our site and the contract with the band. One issue (of many) is that the contract with the band requires the band to approve every use of their songs by third parties. This usually has to deal with movie sound tracks, commercials, and things like that. But in order for our site to receive a license, each and every video would have to be approved by the band themselves. Other issues apply to us by the laws and rules concerning copyright and songs distributed over the internet. (It becomes a big mess really quickly.)

Now let me make this clear: None of the actions taken by the band, label, or their lawyers had anything to do with evil greed, the dis/approval of the artistic value of the fan works available here, publicity the band gains by this site, or anything else along those lines. The entire issue revolves around nothing else but their desire to maintain the enforceability of the copyright on their songs. By having something concerning this site dropped on the desk of the band’s lawyer, they had no choice but to act in a way that protects the copyright of the band according to the law. If nothing appeared on their desk about the site, nothing would have happened. End of story.

I have read about possible boycotts and petitions in various follow-up posts to this issue. If all 5 of you boycotters don’t buy the next Evanescence album because of the band’s desire to keep their copyright strong, you have completely missed the point of all this and will also not have your voices heard.

If a petition or letter of any kind is sent to the band and/or record label, that petition is likely to end up on the desk of the band’s lawyer and they will again be forced to take some kind of action because it is on their desk. This will likely cause much more harm to this site and to the AMV community as a whole than intended by the petition. As in my original post, I strongly ask you to please not attempt to contact the band, label, or anyone else in the music industry about AMVs or this site.

So what can you do? This entire issue revolves around one thing: Laws. There are lots of laws that deal with copyright, fair use, and what people can do with them. In the times we live in now, laws are the highest and most contested battleground there is. If you would like to preserve or expand the rights that you as a normal citizen have under the law, please write and petition the persons that make the laws (here in the United States, this means Congress). There are powerful and well-funded groups on both sides of the copyright/fair use issues. Please support the groups that you agree with as well as make your views know directly as an individual to lawmakers.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding you may have about the purpose and nature of the actions recently taken against this site.

Phade.

This shoud make it pretty clear that it is NOT the record label's fault, and they are not inherantly evil.

[Kariudo]

I also don't see how this is part of "opinion exchange" either

[joevil2023]

I also don't see how this is part of "opinion exchange" either

first thing its my opinion that we should boycott windup
i was asking on other peoples opinion and wither they would join me in doing it
and yes i read that but phade is treating it with the delecate kid gloves most situations like this need
i on the other hand would like to see greedy corporations that do this get waht they deserve, boycotting them till their ontheir knees and crying for mercy would do my soul well

[joevil2023]

srry bout double post, there's not edit on this site

yes he says its not their fault, last thing phade wants to do is totally piss off the company, it just happens to be totally strange that all three are owned (well stapp is owned now as a solo) buy that lable

its to much a coincidence to live with, somthing that is kinda to obvious not to be right......

he wont blame them but where all smart enough to know who is to blame, go look at their site!

[Kalium: Thread locked for being OT.]