death metal

[l Integrate Satan l]

why is it that whenever a debate arises on the fact that technical death metal musicians are the most creative and talented musicians in the metal genre, the people arguing otherwise seem to deny that fact even though the proof shows itself predominantly?

[Flint the Dwarf]

Because they don't like death metal?

[Flint the Dwarf]

Double post.

Anyway, even as a fan of death metal (mostly melodic), I freely admit there are musicians from other fields that can match up to technical death metalists. Granted, most of them are in progressive metal or rock, because those are good genres for showcasing talent.

[l Integrate Satan l]

Double post.

Anyway, even as a fan of death metal (mostly melodic), I freely admit there are musicians from other fields that can match up to technical death metalists. Granted, most of them are in progressive metal or rock, because those are good genres for showcasing talent.

maybe I see your point, but the only band I can think of off the top of my head that even comes close to most technical death metal bands is Dream Theatre, I could quite possibly list about 200 hundred death metal bands alone off the top of my head that surpass Dream Theatre's musical prowess

[Flint the Dwarf]

And who made you the judge of musical prowess? You may like every death metal band ever more than Dream Theater, and maybe they play faster, but that doesn't make them more talented. Speed does not equate to talent. Odd times signatures (ie Meshuggah) does not equate to talent. Being able to growl does not equate to talent. Blazing double bass does not equate to talent.

What screams talent to me is composition, depth, and diversity. Some death metal bands have got it, but I sincerely doubt there are 200 of 'em.

[Otohiko]

And who made you the judge of musical prowess?

Exactly. Where is the proof?

Frankly, I think the whole idea of trying to associate creativity, originality and musical ability with a blanket genre is retarded. The fact that you can stick something into a nice generic pigeonhole, to me, is already a sign of lacking originality.

[NicholasDWolfwood]

I think that some of the death metal musicians out there are pretentious, for example Flo Mounier (specifically on Once Was Not). The drums didn't have to be all the way up front on that album, and for what the rest of the band was playing, he squeezed too much stuff into each song. It was absolutely rediculous.

However, despite the pretentiousness of some musicians in DM, it's my personal opinion that the technicality of it is only surpassed by jazz. After all, jazz drummers came up with the basic blast beat, and jazz musicians were composing in syncopated rhythms far before death metal was even created.

And also, look at something like Necrophagist. Mohammad is entirely self-taught, and look at some of the things he pulls off, cleanly (or pretty close to cleanly), while playing at very high tempos.

Blazing double bass does not equate to talent.

I will dispute this comment, for the simple fact that it takes talent to keep it together at 260bpm. It's very difficult to play double bass at 260 in pure 16ths, and do different fills on top of it (like Derek Roddy and George Kollias, for example, incorporate)

Odd times signatures (ie Meshuggah) does not equate to talent.

It doesn't? News to me. I guess playing 4/4 on the cymbols and 23/18 on the rest of the kit doesn't take talnet. (Or maybe it was the other way around, I don't remember)

200 hundred

That would mean "20,000", bud.

[Flint the Dwarf]

Let me put it this way, there is more to talent than the ability to play skillfully and quickly.

[)v(ajin Koji]

Let me put it this way, there is more to talent than the ability to play skillfully and quickly.

Alot of people seem to think that if you play fast you're a much better musician. This seems to be something that a lot of guitarists hold dear to their hearts when in actual fact there is so much more to playing guitar than playing shred. Another form of skill, I believe, is the abillity to fuse other genres flawlessly into a song to make it your own genre. The Police and Sting on his own have done this and made some amazing songs. Also, who can forget Bob Marley? Blues, Rock and of course Reggae all contributed to his historic sound.

I think saying that Death metal is the most talented genre of music is as stupid as saying it isn't talented at all. There is a lot of talent there in the drumming and guitaring I know and I'm sure you'll asure me the bassing and singing is extremely talented too. It's not a genre that I pick up and listen to often, but I have learnt some because I play guitar and appriciate all styles (even Pop ). Really I think that no genre is really more talented than any other.

[Otohiko]

Playing fast is easier than playing slow. -R.F.