ACTA and Internet Censorship

[chronosek]

Hard times are coming for the Polish amv makers, the government intends to sign an agreement ACTA (prepared in secret) on January 26.

This video shows what such an agreement is:
english: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlFyoEKV0dE
polish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1fJYlQ9iJY

[Chained(E)Studio]

Ahhh, that just failed to pass in the USA. I do not know how it will go in Poland. I think that is is clear that all the governments around the world want one thing, power. And that they aren't going to stop, and we as people have been really stupid to let them continue forming this "New world Era" thing. I didn't even know until recently that Canada, Mexico, and the USA had signed an agreement in 2007 called the "North American Union."

Basically, we are all screwed in the end cause we can't stand together. I'm a really big Zeitgeist/Venus Project follower, so maybe I sound a bit nutty, but we are all too scared or too lazy. So, not promoting piracy or anything like that but check out Tor. https://www.torproject.org/

If it does pass at least you might be able to keep your privacy in some way online.

[Emong]

^ I'm pretty sure the followers of zeitgeist would stand for piracy rather than against it. I just stepped into the convo to say that it's obfuscating to formulate the cause against ACTA or SOPA as resistance towards the state. If we define the problem in these terms we'll totally lose sight of the crucial issue of what the state is actually trying to militantly protect here: private property. If we define the problem as a problem of private property vs. the common (in this case the common virtual culture, information and space, social networks, that we participate in) we see that the anti-SOPA movement was also effectively an anti-capitalist movement. I'm not afraid of the state as such, I'm afraid of a state, which dedicates itself to the protection of capital/private property.

[chronosek]

TOR project will be useless, in this ACTA agreement bypassing the blockade will be illegal, and they will cut off the internet, besides the first major task of the newly formed Ministry of Digitization (dont know well name in english) will be break or block TOR network in poland

[chronosek]

The United States and other countries (representatives from Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland) signed that ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) in Tokyo on October 1, 2011. How it failed to pass? Not all countries have signed the agreement as of now, Poland is defending with help of group Anynomous.

[TritioAFB]

You might have now an idea of what happened in my country 9 years ago when the anime was literally 'erased' from the media. The situation as how it's going with ACTA is almost like the best example of how the goverment forbide the anime at TV, internet and even the newspaper. I lived it once, and don't want to live it again

[chronosek]

ya , now will be like 9 years ago - shut down site and sent to prison , like Megaupload (and it is only beginning)

[McDirty]

we see that the anti-SOPA movement was also effectively an anti-capitalist movement.

I disagree with you on this. I can see your point on having the common virtual culture be at danger in exchange for corporate interests, but it's not necessarily the main reason a lot of people and groups are against it. SOPA and PIPA also eliminates innovation with independent creators and can limit business competition on the internet. How are independent filmmakers, third-party programmers, and even small businesses going to grow, when people at the top of the corporate field are using the feds to shut them down (or at least limit their voice)? A good number of businesses and entrepreneurs are also anti-sopa.

[Chained(E)Studio]

This is off topic, sorry chronosek

^ I'm pretty sure the followers of zeitgeist would stand for piracy rather than against it.

I think it can honestly be taken that way, as well as being taken as "anti-capitalist movement" like those who opposed SOPA/PIPA. I don't think its wrong to view either which way. However, Zeitgeist and the Venus Project are really strong on making sustainability for our future. That's what important to me. Knowing that future generations will continue to have the things we have. Our resources will run out period. It doesn't matter if we cut back, we can only dig so deep and use up whats there. It doesn't grow on trees and we can't replant it. Once its gone, its gone. Whether our governments around the world really take a serious step towards this, or we fight for it ourselves; I'm for that. I'd rather work the rest of my life building a future others in next 100 years can live in. Then just use everything up and say "suckers."

I feel like there is a lot that can be said about this, the government, corruption, everything really.

Sort of back on topic. I don't think its wrong that company's want what they are legally entitled too. If I was an artist with my work being put out all over the place I would want it stopped too. Like McDirty said, SOPA/PIPA and even ACTA stops a lot of innovation. ACTA even goes too deep into your own privacy's rights and to me makes it almost like your freedom of speech is gone (at least as in depth as that video chronosek posted). What happened to MU was the right way to go about it, and how it should be dealt with. Making up all these new agreements within our governments is the wrong way to do.

[chronosek]

some to read - http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... meet-acta/