favorite song

starwire · Post by **starwire** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:11 pm

Please try to see through Avril Lavinge. I mean, how do these lyrics speak to you?

He was a boy
She was a girl
Can i make it any more obvious
He was a punk
She did ballet
What more can i say

This is really just hackneyed crap. It stereotypes gender roles and promotes the idea of female codependency, that a girl can't be anything without a boy. And have you looked around your school lately? Are the boys that wear "baggy clothes" really looked down upon? If anything, it's the boys that don't dress like punks and skaters (or sk8trz) that are viewed as freaks. We're in the 21st century now. Girls don't reject their friends' choice of significant others because of their clothes. Nothing in this song is real. Look at your CD collection. Look at that of your friends too. Everybody listens to punk rock now, even the girls that do ballet. Quite honestly, there's no reason why this guy and that girl couldn't get together, but of course, there has to be drama and conflict, because what would a pop song be without teen angst? It's all contrived and market tested, faux-rebellion, just like the the clothes that go on the shelf at Hot Topic.

Find that song that speaks to you. Look beyond what's being served up to you on eMpTyV. Forge your identity out of your own experiences, not the unfulfilling, ever-passing emptyness that is pop.

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:41 pm

leave it to some pompous jackass to tell people what to like and what not to like. yes, the song is bad on many many levels, but that doesn't mean you have the right to take it away from her, it just means you don't like it. pretty soon she'll realize it's retarded, at least let her reach that plane by herself.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 6:04 pm

starwire wrote:This is really just hackneyed crap. It stereotypes gender roles and promotes the idea of female codependency, that a girl can't be anything without a boy.

I fail to see your point (or interpretation). I'm sure the song is pop fluff, but I don't see how it reinforces gender stereotypes. Care to go into deeper detail, or are you just causing trouble because you think you're "deep" and so far above the rest of us?

My advice: quit overanalyzing and telling people what they should (or in this case, shouldn't) listen to. If BlitzerYuna likes Avril Lavigne, then god-fucking-damn it, let her like it. Music is not always about a message. Don't be a fascist prick over small, irrelevant shit like this.

It's okay to have free thought, so long as it's the RIGHT TYPE of free thought, with you types isn't it?

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 6:10 pm

Favortie song is hard to choose, Suo Gan comes to mind.

Huna blentyn yn fy mynwes,
Clyd a chynnes ydyw hon;
Breichiau mam sy'n dyn am danat,
Cariad mam sy dan fy mron;
Ni cha dim amharu'th gyntun,
Ni wna undyn â thi gam;
Huna'n dawel, anwyl blentyn,
Huna'n fwyn ar fron dy fam.

Huna'n dawel, heno, huna,
Huna'n fwyn, y tlws ei lun;
Pam yr wyt yn awr yn gwenu,
Gwenu'n dirion yn dy hun?
Ai angylion fry sy'n gwenu,
Arnat ti yn gwenu'n llon,
Tithau'n gwenu'n ol dan huno,
Huno'n dawel ar fy mron?

Paid ag ofni, dim ond deilen
Gura, gura ar y ddor;
Paid ag ofni, ton fach unig
Sua, sua ar lan y mor;
Huna blentyn, nid oes yma
Ddim i roddi iti fraw;
Gwena'n dawel yn fy mynwes
Ar yr engyl gwynion draw.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:18 pm

starwire wrote:We're in the 21st century now.

in the 21st century now huh? If you read all the lyrics, it talks about them growing up, and then hooking up after that. There's a marrige involved and crap. There for to have all of that happened, and end NOW. It would have had to start several years ago, in the last century, when they were young.

You're an idiot for expressing supreme knowledge (and sounding like a "pompous jack ass" while doing it) with out actualy having supreme knowledge. If you're going to be so sure of somthing when you go to talk about it, why not be sure.

Isn't StarWire the name of a cheesey electronics company?

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:31 pm

Zeppelin - Babe I'm Gonna Leave You

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:48 pm

Fool. Everyone knows Led Zeppelin's "The Lemon Song" rocks it harder.

starwire · Post by **starwire** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 10:29 pm

kthulhu wrote:
starwire wrote:This is really just hackneyed crap. It stereotypes gender roles and promotes the idea of female codependency, that a girl can't be anything without a boy.
I fail to see your point (or interpretation). I'm sure the song is pop fluff, but I don't see how it reinforces gender stereotypes. Care to go into deeper detail, or are you just causing trouble because you think you're "deep" and so far above the rest of us?

My advice: quit overanalyzing and telling people what they should (or in this case, shouldn't) listen to. If BlitzerYuna likes Avril Lavigne, then god-fucking-damn it, let her like it. Music is not always about a message. Don't be a fascist prick over small, irrelevant shit like this.

It's okay to have free thought, so long as it's the RIGHT TYPE of free thought, with you types isn't it?

I almost feel like I can't say anything remotely critical about any music without being labeled as some kind of elitest prick. So too, do posts like mine get commonly read as "listen what I tell you to!" demands. That's not my reason for posting. My reason for my post was that I feel that we have to be skeptical about pop. It's a one-way exchange of ideas that rarely benefit the listener in any way beyond the short term thrill. For something that we put on a pedestal and generously support without demanding much, pop doesn't improve our lives or give us any kind of fulfillment. If anything, it leaves us feeling empty and insignifcant. So it is our duty to ask something of it and to challenge the assumptions it makes and asks us to accept.

Supposing that there's a "RIGHT TYPE" of free thought is throwing out the idea of free thought altogether. I can only assume that BlitzerYuna likes Avril Lavinge because she saw her on MTV or heard her on the radio, which means that she didn't find her on her own (a process where one can learn just as much about themselves as they can about other kinds of music), but was basically exposed to Lavinge through a carefully planned corporate strategy that made her music impossible to avoid, then impossible not to recognize, and via the image factory of music video cable channels, impossible not to look up to and relate to. Everyone knows advertising is brainwashing, and we're all subject and victim to it. With nearly a century of psychology to draw on, record companies make us buy CDs the same way that Crest makes us buy their toothpaste, Volkswagon makes us buy their cars, and Old Navy makes us buy their clothes. I'm just trying to point this out, and I'm not under the belief that I'm somehow immune to it, or that anyone who falls victim to it is "stupid". That's just retarted.

The lyrics are at the top of this page. Read them and try to see what they're saying. What they mean. What they are saying to young girls. The girl doesn't get the boy, ends up alone and miserable. The other girl (presumably Lavinge) gets the boy, rides his success to the top and now lives the high life, thanks to him. The message? Girls cannot be happy on their own, but only with another boy, especially one that's rich, good looking, and sucessful. Add in a nod to MTV (throw the dog a bone?) and there's no way the song is not going to become a major hit.

I fail to see how I didn't make sense on my last post. I'm not putting anyone down or trying to cause trouble. Just trying to start some dialog, that's all.

starwire · Post by **starwire** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 10:41 pm

Jace Tsunami wrote:
starwire wrote:We're in the 21st century now.
in the 21st century now huh? If you read all the lyrics, it talks about them growing up, and then hooking up after that. There's a marrige involved and crap. There for to have all of that happened, and end NOW. It would have had to start several years ago, in the last century, when they were young.

You're an idiot for expressing supreme knowledge (and sounding like a "pompous jack ass" while doing it) with out actualy having supreme knowledge. If you're going to be so sure of somthing when you go to talk about it, why not be sure.

Isn't StarWire the name of a cheesey electronics company?

Honestly, I have no idea what Starwire is. I thought I made it up, but apparently not. Oh well.

You really didn't respond to anything I posted. You just picked out a minor detail that had nothing to do with what I was saying, interpreted it in your own silly way, and then "disproved" the rest of my post based on it. Now try again, and actually respond to some of my ideas. We might actually learn something from each other this way.

And I find it rather odd that you're accusing me of "expressing supreme knowledge" and being a pompous jackass while you just posted a thread where you poke fun at people who like emo music. So, emo kids are "music fans that like to sit in the dark and cry to themselves over really sappy lyrics, sad things, love songs, they'll cry to just about anything."? And I sound like a pompous jackass? Look in the mirror my friend.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 10:43 pm

dude, you have fucked up visions. Did an MTV spokes person that stars in a pop band on the side molest you as a child or something? I hate pop, but everything you've said......

dude, you're full of shit

and the radio t.v. thing, avril lavigne has been an artist for over 3 years, you think she managed to stay ana rtist over the epriod of three years and NO ONE managed to listen to her.

Also the message it's comveying, I have some frishrl reiasong, theythink it's cute. It's not fucking with their head, they simpley think it's "CUTE" they are girls, they're entitled to that opinion. No one said avril changed their lvies, they simply tlike the music, you're a fucking moron, and you belong on the MTV boards so you can argue your crap with some one who cares.