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Otohiko
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Post by Otohiko » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:30 pm

Well...

I didn't want to do a long writeup but I guess I'll have to.

I'm probably a more complicated person than I like to let on. Most of it has to do with my relatively specific background and upbringing. I was born into Soviet intelligentsia, and despite the external conditions for this odd little class disappearing long before I even started school, I have actually retained many of the personality traits associated with them. This includes my insatiable thirst for information, passion for learning and teaching, cultural leanings towards the original and the pretentious, distrust toward strangers, keen interest in politics combined with the conviction nothing will ever change in my favour anyway, and of course an utter lack of material or competitive motivation in general. I always say that I was born without a competitive bone in my body, which is probably true. I only like to challenge myself. Most of this I owe to my upbringing, which I'm somewhat proud of. First off, I was an early learner. I started speaking when I was 1 year old, by 1.5 years old I had already learned the alphabet, at age 2 I could read passages from the newspaper and actually understand maybe 30% of the words in it :lol: By age 4 I was writing my own short stories (about talking vacuum cleaners, at that), and by age 6 I could multiply 6-digit numbers without a calculator (I was probably better at math when I was 6 than I am now). So in terms of mental age I was always ahead my peers. This seems to have lingered - I wasn't at all surprised that when I got on the .org, some people told me they thought I was at least 40. To no small extent I owe this to my parents, who have always treated me as an adult-in-the-making rather than giving me breaks as an irresponsible kid. As a result, I was always comfortable with adults. What's more, I developed a very horizontal view of society: I would never accept anyone acting or being treated as below or above others. I would however accept people as being ahead or behind on this or other road. As a result, I always had a great relationship with teachers who recognized this, and absolutely horrid relationships with teachers (and people in general) who thought themselves above me. Usually because I wouldn't take it and try to put them back in their place. There were numerous incidents with me literally telling (sometimes swearing) my teachers off back in Russia.

That's another side to my personality; generally speaking, I'm rather quiet when in public-but-informal situations. This goes back to distrust of strangers. I'm not necessarily shy, but it takes me a horridly long time to really get comfortable in any company or with any individual. Residue of the Soviet mentality - personal relations with too many people should be approached cautiously. I'm actually a very silly, utterly informal, sometimes bordering on retarded-acting, at home or among close friends. Unfortunately it's impossibly hard for me to develop the latter. This is compounded, of course, by difficulties in relating to my peers due to my "mental age" as mentioned above. I've also gotten horridly bad at picking up social cues in North American culture. My Russian-ness shouldn't be under-estimated. Generally, with the Russian predisposition to sharing emotions and impressions - i.e. expressing rather than describing in conversation, I seem to get along better with girls (who I believe are more disposed to this in North American culture) - but only to a point. I tend to be very protective of friends and relatives and always feel like the point of my life is to help them. Actually I think Chrono's previously-mentioned co-dependency thing very much applies to me.

I am a massive space-case. I space out everywhere and anywhere. I am clumsy to the max, and I don't think comparisons to Osaka are at all inappropriate. I am an incredibly slow but efficient thinker. I think a lot, and I'm generally rather observant without letting anyone on to the fact that most of the time, I AM watching. Sort of like in classes - I generally lounge in the chair somewhere close to the front of the room, with nothing except perhaps a coffee on my desk, looking like I'm about to fall asleep. I keep no notes, ever. In fact I'm very often the top student in my class and rely exclusively on my memory and ability to maintain mental focus. I never study either - my focusing ability gets me through everything. My ordinary mellow-ness, however, shouldn't be interpreted as docility. When rubbed the wrong way or, heaven forbid, feeling threatened - I get very aggressive and am not above violence. Recalling my utter disregard for competitive pursuits - I don't take violence as a game, and I take it as a matter of necessity. When threatened or even seriously offended, I do attack, and I don't regard any "honour codes" as valid - I'll attack without warning, and use any moves or objects at hand. Fortunately, I haven't had to beat anyone up for years. Part of that is also that being very tall and Russian usually warns people off to begin with.

All of the above probably explains some of the weirdness associated with my personality. I'm a staunch individualist and for all of the reasons above, I've developed a pretty strong resistant to external pressures and a liking for exploring and observing things with relative neutrality. So I've picked up some seemingly contradictory hobbies and interests along the way, some of which it almost seems like I shouldn't have. That probably explains my inherent positive-ness and private silly-ness - despite actually being serious, I can step away and look at myself from many perspective - and as a result, I just can't take myself too seriously. :roll:
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Post by Savia » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:09 pm

This seems like an oppurtunity to think about what I'm like and that's always interesting. Having enjoyed and related to Oto's post above, I thought I'd frame my story in similar terms.

I was a disruptive child and slow learner. I didn't want to learn to read at all until I was about six and resisted doing anything I found pointless. My original school would find me hard- I'd finish whatever I found relevant out of the task set (rarely writing down anything I didn't feel needed to be written down) and then ask for more- and heaven help anyone telling me to redo work or write down what I had already figured out! I didn't do the work for the benefit of others...

After seeing a child psychologist they got me signed up with some high-IQ people, put me in private school, and I mellowed out and started to learn in my own little way. I read LotR at age seven or so (one of my earliest memories). I was more than two years ahead in my new school and didn't even notice because no attention was drawn to it.

Eventually I emerged from schooling. I was quiet and reserved in the company of those I didn't know or didn't trust, to the point of being shy or, given my academic record, seeming aloof or rude. However around those I trusted and those friends for whom I had connections I was boisterous, pushy, and infamously loud. Neither of them felt like a true representation of myself, but rather two aspects of it (I am a Gemini and as much as that's a pile of nonsense I still find a lot of duality in my life).

I have done a lot of maths in my time (I was a trainee maths teacher for a while and they thought I was good at maths so I guess I must be) and enjoy thinking in that structured, logical way. However I believe maths to be a social construct and not a universal truth-discovering machine, which seems to be what most people think it is. I am an optimist, a humanist, and a semi-socialist.

I also like to read and write and be creative, and have had some progress in that field, which is another of those duality businesses.

In person I can be magnetic, confident and personable, or if I'm not comfortable, I can be standoffish, superior and sarcastic. Online I tend to mostly express the personable, polite (and apparently, feminine) side of my personality.
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Post by x_rex30 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:45 pm

Oto, that has got to be the most complicated biography I have ever read, but it is quite interesting! :P Funny this thread was intended for current personalities but it turned into people posting long detailed biographies. At least it explains the roots of what made you what you are today. Thanks for giving some insight on the life of Oto! I was actually hoping you'd post something here. Glad you did. Thanks for sharing. ^_^

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Post by Orwell » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:44 pm

I've got the personality of a sigged scroll wheel, and since those reading likely don't give a fuck anyhow, I'll cut it here.
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Post by purplepolecat » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:56 pm

According to Myers-Briggs I'm an INTJ:
Introverted 89
Intuitive 88
Thinking 100
Judging 44

This describes me pretty accurately, and also appeals to my reductionist tendencies. I find the thought of writing a half a page about myself horrific.

Recently this test has largely been discarded in favor of the Azu-Dai scale, on which I am Yomi 70 / Sakaki 30.
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Post by inthesto » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:15 pm

I find it funny that INTJs are supposed to be insanely rare in real life, yet they're somehow insanely common on the internet.

As a side note, I'm a solid INTP - I've taken various forms of the test many times since I was 13, and I've come out the same every time. It's kind of fun for me to try to jab at what other people are too - and I find that I frequently hang out with other INTPs/INTJs (the distinguishing difference generally being whether they tell me to study or play TF2 on the night before an exam).
Otohiko wrote:I can step away and look at myself from many perspective - and as a result, I just can't take myself too seriously.
So what you're saying is you're one of those guys who poses in the mirror every morning until he starts laughing at himself?
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Post by Pherphq » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:22 pm

Nothing I'm just the perv for such personalities.

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Post by godix » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:43 pm

I usually come out INTP but that's on web tests and we all know how reliable those are. I've read the description of INTP and consider it only about 50% right.
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Post by Mithroch » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:18 pm

inthesto wrote:I find it funny that INTJs are supposed to be insanely rare in real life, yet they're somehow insanely common on the internet.
NTs in general are pretty rare... but I find that as stay among intellectual circles they pop up more frequently. I'm guessing they are more attracted to situations where there insights may have meaning rather than lost in the throng of thousands of voices.

Personally, I am ENFP... common enough... though I'm on the cusp of ESFP... and under certain circumstances (deadlines for example) it shows. I usually find myself in some service oriented job... from homeless shelters to IT help desk. Helping people has always had an appeal to me. I chalk that up to 1. Growing up in the Mennonite church (not Amish... silly) and 2. Reading comic books... Stan "The Man" Lee is some where just under Jesus and just above Dirk Willems as far as sociological and moral influence. That being said... I'm mostly Christian... not the scary bible thumping kind... but more the go help people, borderline hippie kind. Gay? Fine by me. War is bad... Peace is awesome. I use my powers for awesome (yeah... I've had those bumper stickers)

Strangely... I have a very cynical view of many things. Maybe I've jaded with age... but its hard for an idealist to keep stay positive when so many people go out of there way to make other people miserable. Still... I find that most things in life eventually work themselves out... so its not all bad... and maybe there was a party along the way with much drunktarded fun.

When I'm not helping the helpless... I'm probably on my computer... gaming... or gaming with people... or playing a game somewhere... or drinking a Guinness and watching anime... or drinking a Guinness and watching football (Go Irish!)... or driving the lousy 45 minutes it takes me to get to work... or the lousy 45 minutes it takes to get home (more like an hour in winter).

Yeah... thats pretty much it.
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Post by Otohiko » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:09 pm

Hey, I turned this thread somewhere :)

Honestly, the thing is that I find it hard to talk about personality as a psychological thing without bringing up earlier background. As much as a variety of stuff plays into it, really it's your upbringing and personal history that often defines who you are at a moment in time.
Savia wrote: After seeing a child psychologist they got me signed up with some high-IQ people, put me in private school, and I mellowed out and started to learn in my own little way.
That's funny. I can reverse-relate to that. A HUGELY defining factor in my spacey personality was child psychologist consultation we had to undergo in Russia before entering Grade 1. The psychologist got me to do some silly puzzles which were totally stupid from my point of view then, and then came out with the assessment that...



get this:



I had no aptitude to learn languages.
(for those who don't know in detail - I'm about to get my Masters in Linguistics and was just accepted to do a PhD in an English department with good funding)

:roll:

And my school specialized in German, so naturally I couldn't be in a "good" class.

I wish I had words to describe how horrendously boring the first three years of school (which was how long it took them to realize I was actually an exceptional student) were for me. I literally had to do nothing during them. I paid no attention to anything and had practically no connection to my peers except an equally-spacey guy who was, unlike me, sort-of-failing. So I think the boredom of my first three years of school rubbed off on me so much that while I was eventually led into a much better group of students, my aloofness never went away.
However I believe maths to be a social construct and not a universal truth-discovering machine, which seems to be what most people think it is. I am an optimist, a humanist, and a semi-socialist.

I also like to read and write and be creative, and have had some progress in that field, which is another of those duality businesses.
:up:

I was actually a very science-oriented person up until I was 15 or 16 or so. I couldn't stick with it for that very reason, well, part of it was that I didn't get support for it of course - but to me it was also partially constraining my creative drive. I know math doesn't have to be this way and I'm glad some people manage to make it so.
Online I tend to mostly express the personable, polite (and apparently, feminine) side of my personality.
Haha, this is actually me offline. I'm far, far less "impolite" and masculine offline than I am on here.
ying wrote: So what you're saying is you're one of those guys who poses in the mirror every morning until he starts laughing at himself?
Yea, basically. :roll:

Considering how ugly I think I look in the morning and how my hair usually is, that takes about 20 seconds max.

I wish I remembered what my "type" is. What I can tell you is that I'm actually not an introvert. At least in my understanding of it. I'm very reliant on communication with other people on a certain level, and the reason I went into linguistics and teaching-oriented career choices was because I NEED to be around people, even when working. If I'm ever stuck in a non-communicative environment, I cope well, but keep me there long enough and I'll go insane. :P
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