Zeitgeist

[godix]

*sigh* It was a lot more than just a fire that brought down WTC. Saying other skyscrapers didn't collapse after a fire so WTC couldn't have is like saying other people survived jumping out of a tree, so all hangings are fiction because the noose around their neck was a trivial detail. Sometimes there are a few more facts to take into account than a straightforward A=B comparison. Since you seem to like connecting together random facts to form wild conspiracies, lets look at a few random facts.

American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 were both Boeing 767s. A Boeing 767 weighs between 315,000 to 450,000 lbs.

American Airlines Flight 11 was traveling at roughly 400 MPH when it hit.

United Airlines Flight 175 was traveling around 545 MPH when it hit.

The WTC towers weighed ~500,000 tons each.

Think you can weave a theory out of those facts? Perhaps something about how half the support structures got destroyed when a third to a half a million pounds hit a building? Maybe related to weakened support structures made even weaker by fire? Perhaps include that those support structures were in middle of the building and had to hold up literally hundreds of thousands of tons? Might these facts just maybe make things a bit different than some building half the size being on fire because someone fell asleep while smoking?


By the way, it takes a special type of person to hear that a guy in a cave halfway around the world secretly trained 20 guys to steal airplanes, smack them into building, and kill thousands and then think "Gee, that just isn't an exciting enough conspiracy theory". What the fuck more do you want from your conspiracies, a Bond villain petting a white cat?

[Phantasmagoriat]

Yes, I know about inductive and deductive reasoning. Very good review.

Okay, so the two towers were under special circumstances.
They got hit by big masses. Damaged support structures. Jet fuel helped. It's possible. I'll accept that.

Then explain Building 7. If it had special circumstances too, I would honestly like to hear them, because it wasn't hit by a plane.
Yet you don't hear much discussion about Building 7, and information about it has been withheld, or even altered in the official 1000 page report.

Also, it certainly doesn't help that everyone blindly accepts the term 'conspiracy' without really looking at the facts.

[LittleAtari]

Also, it certainly doesn't help that everyone blindly accepts the term 'conspiracy' without really looking at the facts.

It doesn't help that people accept everything they hear coming out of a video without really looking at the facts

Talk to an architect or engineer or something =/

I mean we can seriously sit around and deduce things through reason but you know that's not the hard facts you're looking for. By just taking godix's logic, you're not looking at the facts. I honestly think that you're just easily swayed

I'll be upfront and say that I havent seen the movie. I think I once saw a conspiracy film about 9/11, but I don't remember what it was. How about instead of focusing on conspiracy theories or anything without solid evidence, you look at everything you know that has come out of this event. I think it's more important to think about how this drew attention to the United States' role in the Middle East or how we, as a country, handle threats, war and security now. However, if you only cared to only talk about what Zeitgeist had to say and not actually do anything about it, then I guess I shouldn't talk about where people should focus the efforts of their action. In the end, talk like that is only for amusement and can cause trouble, so it's only destructive. Now if that wasn't your intention, then please forgive me for assuming so.

[Pwolf]

the special circumstance for wtc7 was that there were two burning skyscrapers next to it

[Phantasmagoriat]

Yeah, sorry, I guess I should present more facts, but I'm certainly not basing what I think on the movie alone.
And I certainly don't believe everything that is said. There is quite a bit I disagree with in the movie because
it seems to extrapolate a lot of information. I could probably put references here, but you're better off finding
the facts yourself (while being critical of the sources).

Since you mentioned it, there's whole groups of Architects and Engineers that don't buy the official explanation:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Notice how in the top right of the site, they emphasize "9/11: Re-examining the destruction of the 3 WTC skyscrapers"

They emphasize the three because most engineers and architects agree that the explanation for the twin towers is possible (regardless of probability), but WTC7 makes less sense. The twin towers are believable because of the plane impacts and how the jet fuel just happened to burn in a structurally critical part of the buildings, weakening them. But WTC7 was not hit by a plane, so it's main structures should have been intact. The official reports say that it was damaged much worse, and even if that is true, the building was not full of jet fuel to reach temperatures like that of the twin towers, let alone result in the type of collapse pattern observed...

Well, anyways this is starting to become too much work to look into... and I'm starting to not care anymore... but if you want to focus on the outcomes of all this, the movie has a lot to say about that too. Actually that's the purpose of it all: it tries to explore where all of this has taken us-- and where it could take us. For instance, scared people turn to the government, which in turn could take advantage of that trust and pass laws that take away civil liberties by implanting microchips in your brains, thus controlling the population okay I didn't believe that one, but could that happen? Will that happen? Who knows.

Anyways, I'm not really trying to draw any conclusions here or start an argument, but just suggest that there may be more behind what we perceive than what we think, and it's not such a bad idea to be aware of the possibilities.

[Garylisk]

I certainly hope we have microchips in our brains soon. Hell, that tech is already being used with some medical patients. I want nanomachines in my bloodstream fighting cancer and keeping my insulin balanced and such.

Also, building 7 collapsed due to being pummeled with flaming hot crap while sitting in insane temperatures. Why no other buildings? Dumb fuckin luck, it does happen. Quite frequently. I smoked since I was 20. Why don't I have cancer? Dumb luck. I fell the other day and caught myself with my hands and hurt my right wrist. Why not my left wrist as well? Dumb luck. I stepped on a can and it smashed to the right. Why not to the left? Dumb luck. The cubs haven't won the world series in over a hundred years. Why? Ok, that's cuz they suck.

ANYWAY shit happens, that's the phrase of the day for some of the events of 9/11, sorry if you don't like that.

[Beowulf]

The two towers were demolished. Just look at the footage, and then youtube "controlled demolition". The tower fell at the speed of free fall. When things crumble due to structural failing (from ya know, a big fucking plane hitting it), one floor falls on another, which falls on another, making a "pancake effect". When things are brought down in demolition, they free fall, because its a controlled science. A plane DID hit those towers though.

If you think that our owners wouldn't kill 3000 US citizens to justify a war for oil, then someone needs to hand you a hallmark card with "ROFL" written on it. Pearl Harbor called, they want their elaborately orchestrated false-flag justification for war back.

[Garylisk]

If you think that our owners wouldn't

wow, really?

[Beowulf]

If you think your not completely owned, start your own small media company and see how far you get. Or start your own mining company. Or banking institution. Or soda company. If you get big enough, you will be either bought out or killed, by the same group of about 100 white guys with receding hairlines. These same people own all the important land, make all the important decisions, and own all the wealth.

What else do you call that, other than "owners"?

[Otohiko]

If you think your not completely owned, start your own small media company and see how far you get. Or start your own mining company. Or banking institution. Or soda company. If you get big enough, you will be either bought out or killed, by the same group of about 100 white guys with receding hairlines. These same people own all the important land, make all the important decisions, and own all the wealth.

What else do you call that, other than "owners"?

Although personally I don't buy the 9/11 conspiracies. Not anything to do with politics, though, just more the fact that it is substantially easier to pull off this manner of terrorist attack than to cover up such a massive demolition. It's more of a wonder that it hasn't happened before or since - mostly because the people who have been trying to do it before/since are utter retards.