The Canadian Copywrite hysteria of the moment.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:43 pm

Hmmm.. Can't live in the US, can't live in Canada now... Hmmm Maybe best just to move to the moon

Vlad

neorose · Post by **neorose** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:25 am

aaww nothing brings all the canadian org members together like this thread.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:49 am

neorose wrote:aaww nothing brings all the canadian org members together like this thread.

Hey! Wait, you not in Canada... Off with your head

Vlad

Orwell · Post by **Orwell** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:32 am

If we've already got all the canadians in one spot, we can eliminate the dangerous hostages!

purplepolecat · Post by **purplepolecat** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:29 am

Online Rights Canada has a nice form email for you to send to your MP protesting this legislation. I've sent it to mine. The bill was just introduced today, so plenty of time for it to get shot down.

http://www.copyrightforcanadians.ca/action/firstlook/

Now we can just hope for the Liberal party, who have spoken out against the bill, to show a little backbone for once. If this goes through, ripping a DVD will be illegal, which would kinda put a crimp in things.

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:15 pm

I have a better idea.

We strip Prentice, wrap him in ducktape, beat him, then mail his butt to East Africa where they will properly appreciate him.

Failing that, hmm.

Well until someone can explain to me in a fashion I can give a damn about, I am planning to regard every byte I've download as paid for data. Yep every f ing byte.
I have the bills, the receipts to prove I paid for all of it.

Until such time as can be illustrated how I didn't get all that data knowingly sold to me by Bell Canada, the government of Canada can take a long hard suck on yer arse (mine's not open for that by the way).

Please refrain from a long winded techy justification for how they are NOT responsible. It's not like I don't understand the technology. Re read the comment about where I said "give a damn about" if you need clarity here.

And I most certainly won't be indulging the notion that ISPs can't be held liable for giving me someone else's property.

At this junction, I'm mainly worried about where I'll get my tv shows and anime from. Not that I can't use my newsgroup.
I think today's music sucks ass (I'm not losing anything there).
And if I have to, I can always go back to the "alternative" to downloading movies.
Zip.ca is happy to mail them to my mail box.

The more that I look at this legislation, the more it seems Canada is in danger of becoming a backwater for cutting edge media services than anything else.
I think if anything, it's going to get harder to sell cell phones able to do anything more than ring.

aesling · Post by **aesling** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:10 pm

Sukunai wrote:Well until someone can explain to me in a fashion I can give a damn about, I am planning to regard every byte I've download as paid for data. Yep every f ing byte.
I have the bills, the receipts to prove I paid for all of it.

Until such time as can be illustrated how I didn't get all that data knowingly sold to me by Bell Canada, the government of Canada can take a long hard suck on yer arse (mine's not open for that by the way).

Please refrain from a long winded techy justification for how they are NOT responsible. It's not like I don't understand the technology. Re read the comment about where I said "give a damn about" if you need clarity here.

And I most certainly won't be indulging the notion that ISPs can't be held liable for giving me someone else's property.

If you decide to shunt the blame for the shit that you're pirating onto your ISP, all that's going to happen is ISP's are going to start monitoring peoples' usages more closely and cracking down on people they detect using peer to peer file sharing programs, because they sure as hell are going to cover their own asses. Some are already moving in that direction.

I get that you don't give a rat's ass, but if you don't like a law, work to change it; don't do something so god damn STUPID and short-sighted, that makes life difficult for everyone else. We don't need ISP's invading our privacy just because some people can't own up to the fact that they are doing something that is illegal under the current laws, because they are too fucking lazy to.

purplepolecat · Post by **purplepolecat** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:20 pm

aesling wrote:
Sukunai wrote: And I most certainly won't be indulging the notion that ISPs can't be held liable for giving me someone else's property.
If you decide to shunt the blame for the shit that you're pirating onto your ISP, all that's going to happen is ISP's are going to start monitoring peoples' usages more closely and cracking down on people they detect using peer to peer file sharing programs, because they sure as hell are going to cover their own asses. Some are already moving in that direction.

Absolutely. We do NOT want to go down that road. P2P monitoring would be the first step: the next would be domain blacklisting, and you can bet that the org would be on that blacklist.

The good news is, there's a lot of public awareness about this bill. I even heard it on the radio news - "the feds may soon be snooping around on your iPod" - and people were not happy about it.

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:42 pm

They've already crawled up the ass end of P2P actually.

Some days though, I almost wish we had transparent internet service for all but those snippets of data like a credit card number which makes sense to keep secret.

So you go online, and you want to sit there wanking off to something entirely legal, who cares who knows you like to wank to whatever.

If I go online, and I look up on the newsgroup for the latest files on the latest whatever, which just happens to be 100% illegal as the day is long, why SHOULD I be able to do it in secret .... really?

Let's be honest, if what you are doing is legal, what's to hide?
If what you are doing is illegal, tough shit if they should be able to see you do it.
You SHOULD get arrested for theft (well that's the logic isn't it?).

Data that isn't stolen isn't data that will bite you in the ass.

But what chaps my ass, is the double standards, the triple standards even.

I dumped Bell Canada, because frankly they were STEALING from me. Yes stealing.
I pay for broadband internet. And because of their lack of planning, because of their unrealistic promises, because they would rather take my money, and then just change the rules "and call it traffic shaping", they have committed a fraud. I expect broadband to be broadband if that's what I paid for.

But nope, they have lawyers coming out their ass, and we schmucks have nothing.
They say they need traffic shaping, I say they need to let fewer people on their network until they can actually handle everyone. They need to stop carefully managing the truth.

If no one COULD use their internet service to download massive sums of data which they had no claim to, it wouldn't be happening. Is it OUR fault we have gotten used to being able to freely trade data online? Nope.

I value my privacy like everyone else. I am not saying I have NO need for privacy.
I'm not going to defend online privacy though just so I can go on downloading massive sums of data which is not really mine to have.

I don't require privacy to post this message. It's going to be public shortly.
I don't need privacy for digital data I purchased such as a game through digital download methodologies.
I don't need privacy to order train tickets from here to there.
I don't need privacy to write in a blog.
I don't need privacy for an online game like WoW.
I don't need privacy for a lot of things.

I would of course like privacy for an email.
Or for secure banking or any other form of financial transaction.

But right now, it is costing me money, up front and visible money, to make use of Giganews a newshosting service. It's not shadowy or hidden. I pay it with my credit card. I also pay for the use of a newsindexer like Newzbin.
This is all up front and visible.
What precisely do our clueless overlords think I am downloading by the hundreds of gigs each and every friggin month fucking linux isos? (like some fools like to claim).

I don't care what anyone think of my insane sounding assertion.
I paid for that data. I bought it all nice and fair visible clean and tidy.

If they want to shut someone down, they can forget about me. They can lock up all the ISP, all the newsindexers, all the newshosts, every last group that's been taking my money.

If it kills the internet, fine, fuck it, they can rebuild it over with a grain of intelligence while they are at it.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:03 pm

The real basis behind privacy laws is a combination of "slippery slope" reasoning and the fact that a LOT of people do illegal or embarrassing things and they believe that not only do they have the right to keep that hidden, they have the right to keep everything else hidden so that people don't automatically expect something bad.