Green Day / Blink-182

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:10 pm

The entire band is highly skilled, I know this for a fact, tho i'd be kind of hard to use eprsonal experiences as evidence.

You have to take into consideration the band does everything for themselves, and with that said this CD was composed incredibly well.

They call bands artists for reasons, it took skill to compose such an album, and then they put it together quite nicely.

Their music is so complicated now a days, with all the complex little riffs mixed into each other through out all of their songs.

I don't see how you could listen to their album and say it's bad.

You know how I said earlyer it'd take metal fans to truly tell me if Metalica was good or not? Well you're not a punk fan, much less a new punk fan.

Now as a fan, I'm telling you Blink-182 is truly great band, and that CD is incredible. I know the band eprsonaly, I've seen them practice, i've seen them fool around, all 3 of them are highly skilled, and they used those skills to compose an incredible album, it's that simple.

I didn't say that you were just saying things are bad, I said you're CONFUSING fact with opinion. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad, and obviously you still don't understand the diffrence here.

I just can't convince some one that doesn't understand.

And as for respecting you as a metal fan, I didn't say because Metalica has so many fans they're good, I just said that would lead me to believe they are, and a couple Metal fans are going to have a hard time convincing me other wise.

However, if several metal fans came up to me, 10 or so more and they all had good legitment reasons why Metalica wasn't any good, other than, "Non-Mainstream stuff sounds better" (<--nothing but opinion) then I would have to believe Metalica had no skill.

So I didn't say they were skilled, just that I have a hard time taking your word alone that they're not. If you want to lay anyhting out in support tho that the band has no talent, go ahead, and maybe I'll believe you.

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:50 pm

The entire band is highly skilled, I know this for a fact, tho i'd be kind of hard to use eprsonal experiences as evidence.

If you can't show that your 'facts' are facts, exactly how am I supposed to distinguish your 'facts' from opinion?

You have to take into consideration the band does everything for themselves, and with that said this CD was composed incredibly well.

Plenty of bands do everything for themselves. That doesn't necessarily make them good.

Depending on what you mean by 'composing', I probably disagree.

Their music is so complicated now a days, with all the complex little riffs mixed into each other through out all of their songs.

Complicated does not necessarily mean good.

I don't see how you could listen to their album and say it's bad.

I don't like it. The lyrics are annoying, the music uninspiring, and the songs in general uninteresting.

I said you're CONFUSING fact with opinion. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad, and obviously you still don't understand the diffrence here.

And just because you like something doesn't make it good. If you can't show your thoughts on Blink 182 to be fact, rather than opinion, why should I take your word that they are fact?

And actually, I'm about as much of a metal fan as I am a new punk fan. I'm mostly into rock and alternative.

However, if several metal fans came up to me, 10 or so more and they all had good legitment reasons why Metalica wasn't any good, other than, "Non-Mainstream stuff sounds better" (<--nothing but opinion) then I would have to believe Metalica had no skill.

And what about when equally-informed people disagree on whether Metallica has skill?

So I didn't say they were skilled, just that I have a hard time taking your word alone that they're not. If you want to lay anyhting out in support tho that the band has no talent, go ahead, and maybe I'll believe you.

I have no qualms labeling what I say on this matter as opinion. I want to know how your claims are more than opinion.

So, right back atcha.

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:53 pm

Nix this part:

And what about when equally-informed people disagree on whether Metallica has skill?

I consider it possible to argue skill objectively.

So, forget I typed that.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:17 pm

Jace Tsunami wrote:
Why else would you say something is bad?
because it is.

If you just don't like it, you should say you don't like it.

Jace Tsunami wrote:I didn't say that you were just saying things are bad, I said you're CONFUSING fact with opinion. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad, and obviously you still don't understand the diffrence here.

FoolThemAll wrote:
Jace Tsunami wrote:I don't see how you could listen to their album and say it's bad.
So you see, you just don't understand the diffrence. What is true here tho is you don't like Blink-182, you have no right at all to say they are bad, because they're not, and you mearly dislike them.

Now on proving it's a good album, this is all I'm going to offer. I go to like 10 concerts a month, i'm a very active member on the punk scene. I know the bands, and I'm on a whole bunch of street teams (real ones, not that internet crap). I'm put on these street teams because people respect my word on music and take into high consideration of what I tell them. I see the bands practicing, I know what's good and what's not.

Now especialy with blink being one of the bands I know, you should take my word when i tell you they're good.

However, you're right, I can't prove myself right with just words, that the album is good. What'd take is solid evidence which I'm not going tot ake the time and effort to do.

I don't knwo if you noticed a video thread, where The mad Hatter and Ed where fighting, but it came down to both of them making amvs, and taking snap shots several times, to prove the other one right over which quality is better. What a waste of time.

The only thing I can do is rip the CD, clip out audio highlights that best demenstrate skill and those incredibly composed riffs I was talking about. To avoid a stupid similar hatter v.s. Ed moment, I'm not going to do that.

There's no way I can truly convince you with words, which I understand and will accept, just udnerstand yourself I'm not talking out of my ass here, and you really can't say they're bad, you're incredibly unaware. All yuo can say is you don't like them, which you've finaly done, so I think this is over.

I don't like it. The lyrics are annoying, the music uninspiring, and the songs in general uninteresting.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:19 pm

ugh... fuck BB code.

this should be in that box with your name in it, not my post.

I don't like it. The lyrics are annoying, the music uninspiring, and the songs in general uninteresting.

what you wrote their should be all that's in that box, then my post comes after.

Now gee, if only we had edit buttons....

Sorry, typing random crap now to ensure I don't get a "Your post was too soon, wait a millenium" message

It should be good now... It better

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:55 pm

So you see, you just don't understand the diffrence. What is true here tho is you don't like Blink-182, you have no right at all to say they are bad, because they're not, and you mearly dislike them.

I like Blink 182.

I dislike the album because it is my opinion that it is bad. You like the album because it is your opinion that it is good.

That's how it stands right now. One opinion against another. Unless you prove your point of view.

If you mean that you have a more informed opinion in this matter, I'll agree; I've only heard one half of the album, and probably not as much as you have. That doesn't mean you are right, that means you are more informed.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:58 pm

What I'm saying is good and bad are things, away from thoughts of opinion.

TOYP&J is not my favorite album of theirs at all, but yeah I do like it.

It's just that I saw what it took to make the album, I saw the end result, I saw the world's responce.

To me, ona musical level it's good. On a level of opinion it is certainly WAY diffrent than their other albums, and I can more than understand some one not liking it.

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:56 pm

It's just that I saw what it took to make the album

Good effort doesn't guarantee good results.

I saw the end result

So did I. And it was quite different from what you saw. Why is what I saw opinion and what you saw fact?

I saw the world's responce.

And as has been mentioned, consensus is not an accurate way to determine what is factually good.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 11:07 pm

It's not my favorite album, it's a good work.

Hell, I think Justin Timberlakes album is a good work. What makes you think I like it though in the slightest.

Like I said, you're confused, and you're not thinking right.

Aside from what ever anyone thinks, I see a good album, a great one at that.

What ever you see you're saying the album is horrible, when infact it's not.

FoolThemAll · Post by **FoolThemAll** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:10 am

Aside from what ever anyone thinks, I see a good album, a great one at that.

How is that not opinion?

Okay, watch this:

Aside from what ever anyone thinks, I see a bad album, an awful one at that.

What ever you see you're saying the album is good, when infact it's not.