Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

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Post by PhReAkAzOiD187 » Tue May 20, 2003 11:59 am

hmmm.. well that's a kick in the groin :). oh well, it was a good contest, i'm just glad to see a vid of mine getting showed on a larger screen than a computer monitor :). however it was a very small audience this year, which kinda sucked, but oh well. good job to everyone in the contest, it was really close in all aspects.
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Post by SailorDeath » Tue May 20, 2003 3:22 pm

YEah, there were a lot of issues that still happened, which is why I'm going to work even harder for next year, we're going to have new rules that are going to be more strictly enforced, as for times and such I will be working to get us into a better timeslot, I know 9am is really lousy but that's what the con gave us, and there was little that we could do because of it.
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Post by dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 3:40 pm

Ashyukun wrote: [rant]
As Dan said, the contest was not without what we would call 'issues'. As was previously noted, the video that won "Best in Show" (I'm pretty damn sure it was MITTERNACHT, but even if it was Phenomenon) was not even one of the pre-final judging recommendations for "Best in Show". Nothing at all against MITTERNACHT- it's a damn good video- but the pre-final judges were quite certain and set in the three that were recommended for Best of Show. We were under the impression that the Guests of Honor that did the final judging would not only be given the tape of the videos that were in the final three of each category but also the list of recommendations (complete with their rankings from the pre-judging). Basically, what I think all of us were concerned would happen when we heard how the final judging would happen came true- the final judges in many cases threw out the pre-judging recommendations, in some cases quite spectacularly (i.e., Best of Show). Based on how things came out, it appears that the judges may have just been given a tape with all the finalist videos on it and told what the awards they had to choose were, and not even given the listing of what videos were supposed to be up for what awards- which would just really suck for a couple of the videos.

Of one particular concern was that I believe two of the three finals judges were Japanese Guests of Honor (I know at least one was from talking with her). To some extent, I think this was the case due to the way the awards worked out- The video that won Best in Show against the recommendations of the pre-judging was in a language (German) that likely none of the judges were really familiar with, and at least one and I think two of the winning videos were instrumentals. I especially think that the Japanese GoHs would have a realy hard time judging the Theme category well- as, well, what we consider nostalgic for the 80's would differ from what they would consider '80's'. I can't fault the finals judges though, all told. I'm sure they did their best. I just think that the whole concept of having a small number of Guests of Honor who may not be particularly in tune with AMVs is not a good idea. If the judges were, say, celebrity AMVers (for example, I would have been quite happy if EK or Brett Weaver had been judges) or video professionals, or at least directors.

I very seriously think things overall were not handled the best this year at all - on the non-technical side of things. I believe Quu and SailorDeath did a very good job of running the technical side of things and dealing with the few small problems that cropped up. But on the planning and execution of a number of the things, I think there were a lot of problems.

Finally, all of the final judging had problems. It really felt like it was all thrown together at the last minute. Those of us who ended up doing the pre-judging were given very little direction as to what we should be judging and how we should be doing it- for a while there was even some confusion amongst us as to what the overall categories were. Add onto that what I would consider apparent problems with the true final judging, and the whole thing just went all to hell.

Given all of this, especially what seems to have happened with the final judging, I very strongly believe that ALL of the finalist videos Dan listed should be given Honorable Mentions. While I don't believe it would be fair to try and change the results, I very strongly believe that a few of the editors got very much screwed in the end, and that they at least deserve some form of official recognition for their efforts.[/rant]
Let me add to this with what I have been told occurred. Let me go into the details of the actual judging process. For ACen, it is two-fold and to be quite honest, I don't agree with it at all (For reasons explained below).

As Ashyukun explained, a group of creators gathered after the contest and picked 3 videos in each category. A first place got 3 pts, a second 2 pts and so on. This would narrow it down to three finalists in a category and also a recommendations (notice how I list the videos 1), 2) and 3) above?) to the judges. This recommendation is obviously based on which video had the most "points."

These finalists are compiled on a tape and given to the judges with the breakdown of the finalists (i.e. 3 per category) and the recommendation. The Guests of Honor then watch the three entries, discuss and pick a winner. Out of the (I think) 6 years of ACen, there has only been one instance (that I know of) where the Guests of Honor chose a different winner than the creators recommendation. This year, the judges chose differently in 5 of 8 categories. In most cases, they chose the "3rd place" entry as well.

I *think* I've figured out why. BTW I do apologize for the 'rant-nature' of this response, but these are the facts. First off, two of the three Guests of Honor Judges were Japanese. In fact, both did not speak English *that* well (or not at all). I will state my personal opinion, in that I think this isn't fair. 95% of the entries used songs in English and relied on the lyrics. This can be even further shown in the fact that 2 winners were instrumental pieces. This makes logical sense since instrumental pieces do not require knowledge of a language. Not to knock these videos *at all*, but at least in one instance the video that won was clearly not the "best." I won't name specifics since this will start a flamewar.

Secondly, I have found out recently that the judges only received a tape without any breakdown of the finalists in each category or a recommendation. This *probably* means they saw the tape as one big contest and chose winners out of the entire pool. That would easily explain why a video that was only up for Best Action won Best of Show. As you can easily see, we creators did not put Midnight (as good as it was) up for Best of Show and yet it won.

I have already discussed this with Julius/Sailor Death and I am confidence in his A) ability to remedy to fix the problems in the contest and more importantly B) his resolve to make ACen's contest as perfect as possible.

I would like to give mad props to him and Patrick. The technical side of the contest (rendering the videos on time, prejudging and so on) were done 10x better than last year. Unfortunately, something still went wrong (judging), but I don't mean to at all imply it was their fault because it's not.

It's unfortunate that a number of videos that (warning...possible offensive statement incoming) a number of videos were "screwed." I don't know about the other creator's, but in a number of categories, I thought the winners were clear-cut (as is shown in our finalists and recommendation). I don't *at all* mean to knock ANY videos (and hence why I am not naming any), but from the results I know, many of the point totals were clear like X - 14 pts, Y - 3 pts, Z - 2 pts. It's unfortunate that we had foreign guests who, IMO, are not experienced (or versed in the language) enough to be competant judges and also that the finalists and categories were not clearly communicated. I guess I will be specific in one thing, since it does anger me, but I *hear* this was the contest coordinator's fault since they were not there during final judging and thus the judges did not have adequate direction.

All in all, another ACen comes to a close and allw e can do is A) try and make it better (which I am confidence Julius will do) and B) make better videos.

I hope this clears things up slightly. As said earlier, the contest was not without it's fair share of problems, but regardless, we must all remember awards are fairly trivial and it was fun in itself seeing so many talented videos.
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Post by dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 3:45 pm

dwchang wrote: Let me add to this with what I have been told occurred. Let me go into the details of the actual judging process. For ACen, it is two-fold and to be quite honest, I don't agree with it at all (For reasons explained below).
Funny how I say I'll explain and then don't :-P

The reason I don't agree with this two-fold system is because, as you saw this year, the judges can completely disregard the recommendation and pick a video that well..to the creator's is not worthy of the award. I had mailed the coordinator throughout the year stating my displeausure in this method (since it *could* screw up the first wave of judging). The retort (which worked until recently) was that only once a video has been chosen that was not the recommendation (basically 40+ awards, 1 different). I might also add that this instance I actually agreed with the change. This year obviously changed things since 5 of 8 videos were chosen differently than the creator's and in essence our votes meant nothing and all our hard work ranking and narrowing them down also meant nothing.

As I said earlier, I have talked to Julius and he has told me possible ways they might change judging and I'd say they're on the right track. I won't go into further details since A) I'm not sure he wants me to share it and B) it's awhile out :).
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Post by Nappy » Tue May 20, 2003 5:13 pm

Man, and I thought the clap-o-meter was flawed @_@ Are you saying that the winners were chosen by only 3 judges and 2 were japanese o_O ,glad my vid didn't rely too much on lyrics :P
Was their even a averaging between the pre-judges and the final judges? And why is there so much confusion on who the finalist/winners are @_@
and 2nd vids auto dropped boooo, course theres only 3 finalists so I can understand >:P

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Post by dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 5:23 pm

Nappy wrote:Man, and I thought the clap-o-meter was flawed @_@ Are you saying that the winners were chosen by only 3 judges and 2 were japanese o_O ,glad my vid didn't rely too much on lyrics :P
Was their even a averaging between the pre-judges and the final judges? And why is there so much confusion on who the finalist/winners are @_@
and 2nd vids auto dropped boooo, course theres only 3 finalists so I can understand >:P
Like I said earlier, our judging (creator's), in this case, was pretty much disregarded. We have no say in the final judging...just the finalists (and in this case that got screwed up too since they didn't get our notes and just a tape with 15 videos). And as you see, the 2/3 judges not being experienced enough doesn't help.

Yeah, it sucks about the 2nd video being auto-dropped, since mine was too, but I understand since there were 105 entries and this allows more creators to have at least one video.

Oh well...there's always next year. It's just an award right?
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Re: Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

Post by RichLather » Tue May 20, 2003 7:07 pm

dwchang wrote: Theme: (the 80's)
Three Finalists:
1) Glory of Love by dwchang
2) Back to the Future by Unknown
3) The Kids are Back by RichLather (Note: Not positive this is the video, it's the only Twisted Sister/Akira video on the .org).
Winner: Back to the Future by Unknown
Wow, no shit? I don't ever remember entering it. :D

Lemme ask this... did the Colonel lip synch "the kids are back", and did the video open with Kaneda using the jukebox? If so, that'd be mine.

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Re: Anime Central 2003 Finalists and Winners

Post by dwchang » Tue May 20, 2003 7:12 pm

RichLather wrote:
dwchang wrote: Theme: (the 80's)
Three Finalists:
1) Glory of Love by dwchang
2) Back to the Future by Unknown
3) The Kids are Back by RichLather (Note: Not positive this is the video, it's the only Twisted Sister/Akira video on the .org).
Winner: Back to the Future by Unknown
Wow, no shit? I don't ever remember entering it. :D

Lemme ask this... did the Colonel lip synch "the kids are back", and did the video open with Kaneda using the jukebox? If so, that'd be mine.
Yes and yes...I liked it quite a bit actually. I also think the judges do...hell it was up for finalist.
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Post by RichLather » Tue May 20, 2003 7:16 pm

Swank. 1989 editing (with a few 2003 tweaks) is more than capable of holding its own.

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Post by ShonenDizzyCow » Tue May 20, 2003 9:12 pm

Wow. Being in the same category as Euphoria? Surreal. :shock:

Congrats to all the winners, finalists and honorable mentions.

Thanks to those who enjoyed my vid, I hope it didn't deny a more deserving finalist/winner, due to any possible 'confusion' in judging. :roll:

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Post by TaranT » Wed May 21, 2003 3:22 am

I went ahead and added this data to the contest lists page (see the link on my sig line). I'm a little confused about some of what I've read here. If there are any errors or omissions, let me know by posting here or by PM.

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Post by Ashyukun » Wed May 21, 2003 7:00 am

Nappy wrote:Man, and I thought the clap-o-meter was flawed @_@ Are you saying that the winners were chosen by only 3 judges and 2 were japanese o_O ,glad my vid didn't rely too much on lyrics :P
Was their even a averaging between the pre-judges and the final judges? And why is there so much confusion on who the finalist/winners are @_@
and 2nd vids auto dropped boooo, course theres only 3 finalists so I can understand >:P
Nope, as Dan said the pre-final-judging appears to have only served to narrow down the pool of videos that the final judges saw (from 3 hours to about an hour, I believe). The confusion as to what the final winners are is in part I think due to the fact that beyond the quick announcing of them during the final showing of the contest on Sunday afternoon there has been no official posting or announcing of them. (this was something else I thought sucked and I hope changes next year- I think the winners should have been announced/recognized in front of a major venue/event instead of in one of the live programming rooms half an hour before Closing Ceremonies started. If I hadn't seen and asked Julius what was going on with the awards, I wouldn't have known they were going to be announced then.)

If did kind of suck the secondary videos were cut, but I think it was a reasonable way to help get the contest down to the time it needed to be- the rules said that there was a good chance the secondary video would be cut due to time, so it shouldn't have been a real surprise. This way, the most number of people got their videos in the contest instead of 1/3 to 1/2 less people's vids making the contest. What was nice was that a number of the videos that were cut from the actual contest for various reasons were shown during the AMV Iron Chef competition (including your "Can't Stop the Rock" video, Nappy- which the crowd loved).

Rich- Yup, I'm about 99.9% sure it was your video... it had your logo superimposed in the bottom right near the end.
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Post by mexicanjunior » Wed May 21, 2003 11:07 am

My poor Sasami vid got no love there. :cry:

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Post by dwchang » Wed May 21, 2003 11:38 am

TaranT wrote:I went ahead and added this data to the contest lists page (see the link on my sig line). I'm a little confused about some of what I've read here. If there are any errors or omissions, let me know by posting here or by PM.
Basically you have it right. The part where you divided it into the "three entries" is basically the finalists for each category. There were a good 105 entries that were cut down to around 50 entries for the actual contest. Of those, the three listed were the finalists. Make sense? The confusion about judging is something else entirely.
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Post by dwchang » Wed May 21, 2003 11:41 am

Ashyukun wrote:What was nice was that a number of the videos that were cut from the actual contest for various reasons were shown during the AMV Iron Chef competition (including your "Can't Stop the Rock" video, Nappy- which the crowd loved).

Rich- Yup, I'm about 99.9% sure it was your video... it had your logo superimposed in the bottom right near the end.
Which I didn't get to see since I was editing :(. They even showed that FF8 song (only text) video Quu mentioned and...I didn't get to see that either :(.

BTW Rich, just a suggestion, but I'd suggest not doing that for ACen. A lot of videos were cut for well...not following the rules. I don't think anyone realized (other than Ashyukun) that it was something tied to you, but basically at ACen they don't want anything on your vid that can tie it to you. They make bumpers for that. Basically it gives an unfair advantage, so all videos are instead made to look equal (with the bumpers).
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