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Post by Deuce Loosely » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:09 pm

In simplest terms...
"Don't Touch My Yuki" - murder, impalement
"Cloud Anime" - according to what I was told, there was too much movie audio for a trailer (1m30s) to be allowable...you'd have to look it up because it was just brought to my attention last night.
"Face Your Fears" - "too grisly for a general audience...
"Orgasmic Moonfall" - all I could gather from the harangue was the scenes were too suggestive...and I literally facepalmed when they took it out.
"Cyberstalking" - again with the "trigger warnings."
...and they basically said no to anything involving Atack on Titan and Future Diary.

We've never had to deal with this kind of thing before now so it's new to us as a department as well.
This con is skittish about protecting their event from any threat of lawsuit, be it concerns over copyright / licensing or psychological / emotional damage or whatever.
It feels to me like the walls used to protect also imprison.
I almost gave up conventions altogether last night but I can't affect anything from the outside.
Last night's meeting was one of the most deflating experiences of my life...seriously.
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Post by drewaconclusion » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:29 pm

Deuce Loosely wrote:This con is skittish about protecting their event from any threat of lawsuit, be it concerns over copyright / licensing or psychological / emotional damage or whatever.
So much understatement here.
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Post by l33tmeatwad » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:34 pm

I bet orgasmic moonfall was because of the name...
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Post by drewaconclusion » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:35 pm

l33tmeatwad wrote:I bet orgasmic moonfall was because of the name...
I thought the exact same thing.
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Post by Davis 51 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:37 pm

Deuce Loosely wrote:"Cloud Anime" - according to what I was told, there was too much movie audio for a trailer (1m30s) to be allowable...you'd have to look it up because it was just brought to my attention last night.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to do some digging on that. The trailer audio I used was literally all from one trailer. As in, that was the trailer used to promote the film in theaters. All 5+ minutes of it. It was epic beyond belief and exactly why I wanted to make an AMV out of it. That's the first I've heard of the 1m30s rule and it sounds like bullshit to me, given almost every movie trailer out there runs between 1m30s and 3m30s.

I don't blame you in the slightest, but please don't get discouraged. As the contest coordinator, next year if you choose to return, it would help immensely if all these little 'qualifiers' were stated upfront. For instance, what the hell is it with 'trigger warnings' nowadays? Is an editor supposed to walk on fucking eggshells now? Is there a definition of what qualifies as a 'trigger' that we can look up? Did they not think this would be pertinent information for an entrant to know?
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Post by Iron Solari » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:41 pm

Deuce Loosely wrote: "Don't Touch My Yuki" - murder, impalement
Is this for real? Is this seriously for real? I mean, I guess it's great that my comedy entry got bumped up to finalist, but what the hell? I guess now the sight of blood is enough to make the con chair panic and say, "Ah, Ah, Ah. That's too suggestive/violent."
...and they basically said no to anything involving Attack on Titan and Future Diary.
Seriously? Am I really going to be forced to use G-rated Slice of Life anime (not that I have anything wrong with them, most of my favorites are such) to submit to this convention now?
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Post by Deuce Loosely » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:57 pm

I know.
It's beyond complicated and frustrating because I WANT you guys to be able to display your art openly so being told what goes and what doesn't is disheartening.
Granted, I understand with the recent rash f suicides in the region they don't want to broadcast images or reminders but there have to be limits on how far the prohibition goes.
The anime MM! was used for "Orgasmic Moonfall" and some of the scenes may have been "suggestive" but, in my mind, what anyone doesn't understand about what they see doesn't hurt them.
Furthermore, if they DO understand (especially if it's some kid), it's not our fault someone else initiated them into that kind of thing.
*sigh*
I'm just trying to not throw my hands up and quit right now.
I like doing AMV stuff and that would ruin my name faster than anything.
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Post by Davis 51 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:01 pm

Your avatar is most fitting right now. :wink:

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Post by Rider4Z » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:05 pm

Thought I had left a reply earlier but I guess not, stupid phone.

Anyway, what we do for anime Vegas and anime conji is make it perfectly clear in advance to the board, entrants, and audience that we present a PG-13 show, meaning children under the age of 13 should be accompanied by an adult and little kiddies are probably not a good idea. We then repeat/stress it once again at the beginning of the show, so anything parents may find offensive after the fact would be their own responsibility. We still listen to opinions they may give us afterwards and keep in mind for the future, but we don't let ourselves get pushed around. If someone decides to take it to a higher authority, we are prepared to defend ourselves stating they were warned several times of questionable subject material.

However, this also requires VERY good judgement on the coordinators part.

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Post by Miracle_Falcon » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:41 pm

My opinion is this: it seems clear we can't do anything more now for this contest, but abstaining from entering next year is too long a road for us to go down. It'll take too long to get our message across, and we'd risk losing the contest altogether.

I also don't think we've got a winning argument if we try to say people are being too sensitive. The goals of people who care about this sort of thing are, in broad strokes, based in minimizing suffering, and it's not my place to tell anyone that what they say they feel isn't worth consideration.

What we CAN do, though, is document a double standard. If we present them with evidence after the con that they were very sensitive with the content of the AMV contest, but not with other things, that might help us have a better situation next year. Anime conventions, I'd argue, are inherently pg-13 - at least. I'm sure the dealer's room will have items on display that aren't pg. Cosplayers won't all be PG. I'm positive some of the shows they'll play in video rooms won't be PG. That, I think, should form the basis of our argument when we go to feedback panels and post to facebook.

I think I'll try to keep a picture log of it at Katsu. Anyway, sorry to be preachy.

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Post by Studio Hawk » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:22 pm

Rider4Z wrote:Thought I had left a reply earlier but I guess not, stupid phone.

Anyway, what we do for anime Vegas and anime conji is make it perfectly clear in advance to the board, entrants, and audience that we present a PG-13 show, meaning children under the age of 13 should be accompanied by an adult and little kiddies are probably not a good idea. We then repeat/stress it once again at the beginning of the show, so anything parents may find offensive after the fact would be their own responsibility. We still listen to opinions they may give us afterwards and keep in mind for the future, but we don't let ourselves get pushed around. If someone decides to take it to a higher authority, we are prepared to defend ourselves stating they were warned several times of questionable subject material.

However, this also requires VERY good judgement on the coordinators part.
This and Miracle_Falcon's comments seems like good points to me. Carding people for age at the door isn't necessary to have a PG-13 show - just be clear that it is meant for an audience over a certain age, and after that it is the attendee's responsibility to choose to watch it or not. This is the same as viewers who choose to go to the video rooms and watch Berserk, Titan, or Madoka; we're not going to cut those because they're not PG.

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Post by Deuce Loosely » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:03 pm

I'm keeping all these points in reserve until the post-Katsu meeting with our division lead and will bring them up then.
I totally agree on the rest of the con not being so PG, even (and sometimes especially) Masquerade, which will be among the first things pointed out.
There's a grey area in between PG and NSFW that leaves a lot of you all in limbo and that's not fair.
I'm not giving up on this by any stretch.
I just need a breather and to get this year out of the way.
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Post by Davis 51 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:23 pm

Would it be alright if some of us wrote brief statements for you to pass along to the division leader (after the convention of course)? As content creators, I feel like we need to make our voices heard. Direct quotes would sound a lot better than "some guys on the internet said they don't like what you did".
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Post by BecauseImBored1 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:36 pm

This thread feels a bit out of hand. OO Cons are a place for people of all ages and some can't handle the content of vids. It sucks that my Hellsing vid can't be played but I appreciated the fact that I got to know it originally made finals and take it as a compliment. Some cons are different, just gotta find the right cons to show such a vids ;)

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Post by Deuce Loosely » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:25 pm

BecauseImBored1 wrote:This thread feels a bit out of hand. OO Cons are a place for people of all ages and some can't handle the content of vids. It sucks that my Hellsing vid can't be played but I appreciated the fact that I got to know it originally made finals and take it as a compliment. Some cons are different, just gotta find the right cons to show such a vids ;)
Perhaps...but I don't wanna think they'd have an attitude of "if you can't make a video by PG standards, find another con."
The main contest is PG and there's NSFW (18+) material after midnight which leaves anything seen as PG-13 with nowhere to go.
This is something I wanna correct.
And yes...if you all wanna PM me a statement to pass along, I can do that.
Anything that will support the case for inclusion rather than exclusion...
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