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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Radical_Yue » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:34 pm

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Yue, I do have to ask you to gain a little composure here for the sake of not only making sure that you remain looking respectable but also for the names of others that you're using in your posts. For the most part, I'll let Niotex comment on whatever you've said in reference to him because I do think that you're a little mistaken as to what his role in the European AMV contests are. I will say this though: AX is a much larger Con than those conventions. Heck, AX is one of the largest Cons in the US. So of course it's a big deal when something like this happens or goes wrong.

First off, yes the whole 'a lot on their plate' excuse may not cut it. Mainly because the idea is that when you are given a job, you are expected to complete it to the best of your abilities. It is a part of this 'plate' in the main course. It is not a side dish or desert. It's just as important as whatever else you need to attend to. However, that only works on a conceptual level and we all know sometimes it's hard to get stuff done when life his you with a million things. I am sympathetic to the idea that he may have a lot going on, but at the same time, everyone needs to keep in mind that a job is a job. It needs to be done.

Second, flat out, mix ups do happen. You cannot expect things to be perfect and if you expect it to be perfect, well then you're just crazy. It never works out that way. Especially when it comes to bigger events, something will always go wrong. Yes, it's a big deal when they do happen, but the only way to fix that is to see how you can deal with situation. Sometimes, you cant fix it immediately, but you can fix it for the next time around. In this case, it would be to avoid errors like this for next year's convention. I'm sure most AMV convention contest coordinators, even Niotex, can give you a list of everything that goes wrong at their conventions and how they have to deal with them. They can all also tell you about all the heat they get for it, just like the heat that you all are bringing to this thread.

Third, Digital Panther may be the face of this AMV contest, but he isn't the only one behind it. There is a lot going on behind the scenes that you do not know about. Other people are also pulling strings here that Digital Panther has to deal with. So when frequent entries, like Rider, Kazemon15, Hagaren, say that they understand the situation, I respect that because I do know that this is their main Convention and I do know that they know the contest a little better. Now, all the entrants have already shown their distaste for what's going on. If AX has any hint of logic, they will acknowledge that these people are their usual entrants and their opinion is valuable.

Also, Yue, I can't help but think that this has quite a bit to do with editors you like and are friends with not making it in. Right now, you coming in the way you are, is not making them look any better. All the entrants have said that they dont understand how certain videos got in while others didnt. We know something went wrong. Give the contests coordinators a little bit of time to give a final statement about what they're doing. Honestly, there are certain videos that I would have loved to see make it in, some of which were the videos you mentioned in previous posts.

I think right now, we should leave the entrants to talk to the contest coordinators about what's going on because it does need to be talked about. I know some people here with a little more knowledge and who are more involved will be willing to have a respectable conversation about what's going on.

1) I really don't care how others view me and I basically just repeated exact information that Mitch gave me. The only reason he hasn't commented on this thread yet is because Oto asked him to hold off.

2) Yes mix ups happen. But this is just getting out of hand. I'm not sure if you saw last years drama winner which was a Death Note comedy video that was poorly edited in general. Along with Blue Orchid last year, My Drive Thru and Duvet this year...there are just too many obvious "mix ups" that are happening here. You'd have to be a blind moron not to notice them and attempt to draw attention to said entries.

3) I never attempted to make this all about Digital Panther. I was never trying to single him out. I hold the blame to everyone involved with the judging process. Yes, he is the one in charge. Yes, he is the one who has the final say. But those who work with him are at just as much fault for the giant holes in their rules/judging. Also, just because you enter a contest on a regular basis doesn't mean you've got any standing on the mechanics of how it's judged. Just because I frequent a restaurant that doesn't make me a food critique. I would still like to know how the judging process is done and what standards they go off of are. They have never made this process public and due to the lack of responses from actual judges, I really doubt if they plan on it.


3) Don't you dare start thinking you know why I'm upset. My bestest buddies in the whole wideset world not making it to the big shiny contest have NOTHING to do with any of my rants. I simply use Eidolon and Castor Troy's previous entries as prime examples. Are they both my friends? Yes. Do I feel like got burned? Yes. Is that my drive? No.
Other than their entries I have no idea who entered what but due the fact that they claim to have massive amount of amazing entries...the finalists they've chosen...no way in hell could those be the "cream of the crop"

I'm vulgar, I'm brash, I'm loud and I speak what's on my mind. I'm not going to change for anyone. If you don't like my opinion there is a glorious little "Ignore" button. I enjoy going to this convention and I would love to see something done about the miserable state of the contest.
I never use examples from other editors/contests unless I know them to be 100% true.
And don't you DARE accuse me of being a pathetic little circle jerking moron who makes an outburst when her bestest friends don't make it into the contest. That was never my intent and never will be my intent.

They've had since last year to fix most of the major errors I've been pointing out since I began posting in this thread. Why do I say that they've had since last year? Because I made the exact same posts, LAST YEAR.

I'd kinda like to see why nothing has been done. No excuses. I'd like the truth. And if you'd like me to stop cursing and using "childish" language...then that's a bit too bad. Once again, you may not like it...but it's who I am.

Sigh all you want sweetie, I'm not going to change until something is done.

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Radical Yue, i know you're venting but you need to take a breather before this turns into a hate fest and other people get sucked into the flaming. But i agree with Ryvannis in thinking you would be a good addition in the production of this show. (i don't know if you enter or even live near LA but nonetheless...)

...I didn't want to but i may give up entering next year so i can help Michael out as well. I'm sick of the drama. Not saying there wouldn't be any but i do my best to avoid it... (i'm sure niotex is laughing out loud but you get my point)
There is no hate. Only frustration and confusion. I'm angry but only about the situation. I'd like to see it fixed and want to know why precautions weren't taken after that horrible Death Note video winning drama last year. I'd be more than happy to assist in judging, etc... I don't live near LA anymore, but there is a nice little thing called the internet.

Also, I must disagree with Wired Knight, I believe something needs to be done about the pool of judges...When was the last time they have either made a new AMV or watched newer series? I'm not saying they need to "be in teh editor know how yo'" but it would be nice to know just how up to date they are with today standards. Just submitting the list of finalists to an editor to double check would still be only a bandaid for a festering wound. You double check what they've chosen, but what about the massive amounts they've skipped over due the sources not possibly interesting them? Or not seeing the beauty in simple editing?

Also, Niotex has high standards but I don't understand why you'd think he'd be laughing. He's actually one of the sweetest and most helpful people I know as long as you don't come off as a complete idiot.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by NightHawk » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:39 pm

I guess I'm not as hardcore as Rider or Castor Troy. I like seeing my AMV's on the big screen. :cry:

It's a weird situation, because the contest itself would be run better, but now we're losing out on awesome entries from Castor and Rider. I don't know if that's a trade off I'd like. I know how passionate you guys are about your work and having it be missing from AX is like adding another wound. =[ I don't know, that's my look on it.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by The Wired Knight » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:48 pm

NightHawk wrote:I guess I'm not as hardcore as Rider or Castor Troy. I like seeing my AMV's on the big screen. :cry:

It's a weird situation, because the contest itself would be run better, but now we're losing out on awesome entries from Castor and Rider. I don't know if that's a trade off I'd like. I know how passionate you guys are about your work and having it be missing from AX is like adding another wound. =[ I don't know, that's my look on it.

I don't know about Ryder and I don't like speaking for Castor but Castor has been editing since he was VegetaInsane and made a bunch of DBZ videos to the same artist (can't remember the name anymore - and I apologize to Castor if this is a memory he doesn't want brought up). But Castor has been doing that since I don't know how long ago. I've been editing since 1998/1999 and I used to be sore when my work didn't make it in to see on a big screen. But I've been editing so damn long frankly it's not a concern anymore - it's nice to see my work there and I would really like to see it and/or win something but it's not going to kill me if I don't. I don't edit to win awards and I don't edit for large audiences, I edit because I like doing it and I wish that realization came to me a lot earlier down the line than it did.

Besides, imo nothing matches the experience of the first time you see your work shown in frong of a large audience - Anthony Bennet told me that the first time my work made it into AX (that was AX 2001 or 2002 if I recall correctly - it was my Berserk video and we still in Anaheim at the time) and damn if he wasn't right.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Kazemon15 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:53 pm

NightHawk wrote:I guess I'm not as hardcore as Rider or Castor Troy. I like seeing my AMV's on the big screen. :cry:

This. Although my goal has changed a little since then. I just want to edit well enough with an unknown anime to 1) promote the anime and 2) for the first time, possibly win not based on anime choice, but on editing-wise. How enjoyable a video I made which sways the audience from their regular "I like this anime, think I'll vote for this video" thinking... but...I'm not sure it'll ever happen.

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Radical_Yue » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:55 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:
NightHawk wrote:I guess I'm not as hardcore as Rider or Castor Troy. I like seeing my AMV's on the big screen. :cry:

It's a weird situation, because the contest itself would be run better, but now we're losing out on awesome entries from Castor and Rider. I don't know if that's a trade off I'd like. I know how passionate you guys are about your work and having it be missing from AX is like adding another wound. =[ I don't know, that's my look on it.

I don't know about Ryder and I don't like speaking for Castor but Castor has been editing since he was VegetaInsane and made a bunch of DBZ videos to the same artist (can't remember the name anymore - and I apologize to Castor if this is a memory he doesn't want brought up). But Castor has been doing that since I don't know how long ago. I've been editing since 1998/1999 and I used to be sore when my work didn't make it in to see on a big screen. But I've been editing so damn long frankly it's not a concern anymore - it's nice to see my work there and I would really like to see it and/or win something but it's not going to kill me if I don't. I don't edit to win awards and I don't edit for large audiences, I edit because I like doing it and I wish that realization came to me a lot earlier down the line than it did.

Besides, imo nothing matches the experience of the first time you see your work shown in frong of a large audience - Anthony Bennet told me that the first time my work made it into AX (that was AX 2001 or 2002 if I recall correctly - it was my Berserk video and we still in Anaheim at the time) and damn if he wasn't right.

I'm not attempting to speak for Castor either. But wouldn't you be slightly curious as to why your entry didn't make it in when there are two entires "My Drive Thru" and "Duvet" that are poor videos.
Once again, I continuously use his videos as examples due to the fact that he is a really good editor. Even if I wasn't friends with him, I would still use his videos as examples. They're high quality and I just don't see why certain videos that look to be footage dropped on a time line (examples from this year and last) or videos that are nothing more than poor editing making it in while hours of work get tossed aside without mention?

I also continuously use his videos as examples due to the fact that they're the ones I know about. God knows how many other entries were deemed as "weak" due to the judges not giving them a chance.
When I first watched "Go the Distance" I would've have stopped 30 seconds into it had it not been at a con. Then the video kept going and I saw what brilliant editing and hard work was put into the video. It's been one of my favorites since then and I've yet to hear any bad comments about it. So I just don't see why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1NGaxGABUY this makes it in, as opposed to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHa6RFwtNDc

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

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Post by Radical_Yue » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:03 pm

Kazemon15 wrote:
Radical_Yue wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1NGaxGABUY this makes it in, as opposed to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHa6RFwtNDc
Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc-MXCmcYYE :?

That brings me back to my original theory. It appears that if the judges see sources they don't deem acceptable, it's almost as if they pass over them immanently without even taking the entries seriously.

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Post by Niotex » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:05 pm

Ok just to inform people I'm reading the "shitstorm", 7 people told me to go read..

This is not how you wake someone up people -_-
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Post by Kazemon15 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:10 pm

Niotex wrote:Ok just to inform people I'm reading the "shitstorm", 7 people told me to go read..

This is not how you wake someone up people -_-

I agree with this.

Things should be talked out calmly and respectfully.

And maybe not just over the web, but in person or by letter. That is the best form I can think of.

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Post by Radical_Yue » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:13 pm

Kazemon15 wrote:
Niotex wrote:Ok just to inform people I'm reading the "shitstorm", 7 people told me to go read..

This is not how you wake someone up people -_-

I agree with this.

Things should be talked out calmly and respectfully.

And maybe not just over the web, but in person or by letter. That is the best form I can think of.
I'd be more than happy to sit down and talk things out in person.
I know it's basically impossible to find certain people while at the convention, but I'm always available either on AIM or Skype.

I'll never have any issues voicing my opinions.
(If that wasn't obvious already :P)

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