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Post by Brakus » Wed May 24, 2006 8:07 pm

AtomX wrote:It just goes to show the quantity and quality of the comedy entries at ACen (there were a total of 5 comedy videos, one of them won Best of Show, which essentially meant it was down to 4 videos eligible for the award, and the other 3 were just plain not good at all).
Heh, I'll admit my ACen entry ("Watch Out It's Desert Punk") in comedy was sent in simply so I could have a new entry for ACen. It obviously wasn't going win anything, despite only having 5 entries in the category. I was getting tired of sending "I Am Fullmetal" to every single convention's AMV contest. My video is more of an action video with some comedy thrown in.

I guess with everybody going the emo route and sending in Drama videos, the art of making the comedy video is getting lost.....
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Post by ngsilver » Wed May 24, 2006 8:27 pm

Brakus wrote:I guess with everybody going the emo route and sending in Drama videos, the art of making the comedy video is getting lost.....
Well, one could say that comming up with a comedy idea, especially with a good one, can be the hardest idea to come up with.

Yet overall comedy yeilds more attention then drama or action videos. But that's partially due to the fact that comedy videos are few in comparison to other categories.

I was sad to see not one single comedy video submitted to Colossal... comedy videos always seem to lighten the mood, especially in a drama heavy contest.
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Post by 1stAgent » Wed May 24, 2006 9:42 pm

Brakus wrote:I guess with everybody going the emo route and sending in Drama videos, the art of making the comedy video is getting lost.....
Hey, I submitted a Comedy last year, and my Drama this year may have been Simple Plan, but at least it was upbeat Simple Plan. :P

Unfortunately, I am with you in thinking comedy videos are going under, at least the ones that stick to one song. In my ACen convention recap, I too declared the art of the traditional Comedy AMV dead.

Not to fault AMV Hell, since #3 was sheer brilliance, but it has changed the way we laugh at AMVs. Editors now no longer consider it feasible to sustain those kind of laughs throughout the full length of a song. So more and more simply combine several punchlines into one video. In the end, it cheapens the whole category, especially when not all of the punchlines are funny, as with DIE-oh 2.
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Post by dokidoki » Wed May 24, 2006 11:37 pm

1stAgent wrote:Unfortunately, I am with you in thinking comedy videos are going under,
I've been saying that for years.
at least the ones that stick to one song. In my ACen convention recap, I too declared the art of the traditional Comedy AMV dead.
Piffle.
In the end, it cheapens the whole category, especially when not all of the punchlines are funny, as with DIE-oh 2.
Considering that it's listed on the org with five categories, I think one could say that it's not "purely" a comedy video, but of course you're limited to one category when you send it to a con.
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Post by godix » Fri May 26, 2006 12:51 pm

Speaking as the winner of the 'They all sucked but I guess we have to call one of these pieces of crap the winner' award I'd just like to give a tip for anyone considering next year. Submit to comedy, theme, or upbeat. All three catagories are pathetically underrepresented to the point that the con will probably show damned near anything in them no matter how horrible it is. Which means the competition is nearly non-existant and chances are pretty decent that you'll win a trophy, some free anime, and an ego boost that last for a couple minutes until you realize your only competition was so forgetable you can't remember their videos even though you just say the entire contest the previous day.

Besides, the more comedy/theme/upbeat there is the less drama/action there is shown. After two hours of angst and flashing I could do with a lot less drama/action.

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Post by 1stAgent » Fri May 26, 2006 7:27 pm

godix wrote:Speaking as the winner of the 'They all sucked but I guess we have to call one of these pieces of crap the winner' award I'd just like to give a tip for anyone considering next year.
The saddest part is that I had to look at your profile to see which category you meant.

The problem with the Theme category was that the Theme absolutely sucked. People hear Movies/Stolen Scenes and immediately think Trailers. Even if last year's Broadway theme didn't get many submissions, at least we know there are good videos out there to Broadway musicals. Anything Movie related is just inviting the crap.

I'll oblige dokidoki and admit that I'm probably stating the obvious here (although he probably represents one of the few exceptions): The fundamental problem with Comedy videos is that they're either AMV Hell Jr- a poorly organized mish-mash of punchlines, or a single funny concept stretched out over four minutes. My Comedy submission last year would be guilty of the latter if it was any longer than 2.5 minutes. Now, even as recently as Otakon '04, I remember some good comedy entries (and I remember being pissed that AMV Hell 1 beat them), and even ACen '05 had a couple enjoyable entries. But these days, how many editors can consistently produce comedy videos that sustain the laughs for four minutes? I'll put the over/under at three... then take the under.

Point is, the odds of getting five good Comedy submissions in a contest are next to nothing. My question is this: why does this category still exist?

The five traditional categories create a big, gaping hole in the typical convention format. Romance and Action are self-explanatory and you know when a video fits there. Drama is reserved for pure angst. Dance/Upbeat is reserved for an After Effects parade like that stupid Dual video that won it this year. Videos that are simply out to be whimsical and entertaining, without being LOL funny, are totally lost in the mix. My Kino's Journey video was totally out of place in Drama this year, but I submitted it there because it wasn't at all meant to generate laughs, used action only as a plot point, and I didn't dare submit it to Upbeat because I knew something like that stupid Dual video would win. There are a lot of decent videos that simply try to make people smile rather than laugh or cry. The Org has categories like Fun and Character Profile, and I really think conventions should start to follow suit instead of simply forfeiting awards to half-assed "comedies."
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Post by Kisanzi » Fri May 26, 2006 8:28 pm

1stAgent wrote:Dance/Upbeat is reserved for an After Effects parade like that stupid Dual video that won it this year.
Awwww that's harsh...I didn't even use after effects in that vid...

*is crushed*

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Post by Brad » Fri May 26, 2006 9:41 pm

kisanzi wrote:
1stAgent wrote:Dance/Upbeat is reserved for an After Effects parade like that stupid Dual video that won it this year.
Awwww that's harsh...I didn't even use after effects in that vid...

*is crushed*

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Shut up kiSANZI. Your video had effects, therefore you obviously used After Effects, thus making your video STUPID. You big stupid head. Go make more stupid videos you stupid head!............... Head!!!
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Post by 1stAgent » Fri May 26, 2006 9:59 pm

kisanzi wrote:
1stAgent wrote:Dance/Upbeat is reserved for an After Effects parade like that stupid Dual video that won it this year.
Awwww that's harsh...I didn't even use after effects in that vid...

*is crushed*

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Sorry. That was unfair. I downloaded the video and caught a few things that I missed before. I left you an op explaining my thoughts in more detail.
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Post by Brad » Fri May 26, 2006 10:31 pm

1stAgent wrote:
kisanzi wrote:
1stAgent wrote:Dance/Upbeat is reserved for an After Effects parade like that stupid Dual video that won it this year.
Awwww that's harsh...I didn't even use after effects in that vid...

*is crushed*

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Sorry. That was unfair. I downloaded the video and caught a few things that I missed before. I left you an op explaining my thoughts in more detail.
Did you let him know how stupid it was? And how stupid he was for making it? Because you should let him know again.
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