Anime Expo 2011 - AMV Chef is BACK!

[Rider4Z]

on a side note, the event's #1 priority, while still a competition, should be to entertain the audience. if you DQ an editor because they didn't render stuff out of AE before the time limit, you're only hurting the people who sat there for 3 hours expecting to see something cool but ended up seeing someone get DQd because of something minor.

I doubt anyone is going to be making complex enough comps that will take a long time to render anyway. I assume the AMV Editor block is 4 hours long to allow enough time?

I actually wonder what Vic would say about this. I don't think it's ever been an issue for Iron Editor.

well instead of DQing, how about working the judging on a point system. and you get knocked points for not having everything together in time for the final render?

[Pwolf]

well instead of DQing, how about working the judging on a point system. and you get knocked points for not having everything together in time for the final render?

More or less, the video is incomplete at that point so absolutely.

I take that back, you're not judging the editors based on how long it takes to render their videos, youre judging them based on what they did editing wise within the given time frame. rendering isn't a test of skill or talent, it's technical.

[Rider4Z]

well instead of DQing, how about working the judging on a point system. and you get knocked points for not having everything together in time for the final render?

More or less, the video is incomplete at that point so absolutely.

I take that back, you're not judging the editors based on how long it takes to render their videos, youre judging them based on what they did editing wise within the given time frame. rendering isn't a test of skill or talent, it's technical.

... was that a yes or no?

last year there wasn't a scoring system, the judges decided together unanimously who the victor was.
liiiiiiiight buuuuullllllb
so how about this year the judges have an actual scoring system just like in (the real) Iron Chef? judges can give comments as they see fit after the initial viewing, then pass in their talleys, and the MC (brad) can announce the winner.

[Castor Troy]

well instead of DQing, how about working the judging on a point system. and you get knocked points for not having everything together in time for the final render?

More or less, the video is incomplete at that point so absolutely.

I take that back, you're not judging the editors based on how long it takes to render their videos, youre judging them based on what they did editing wise within the given time frame. rendering isn't a test of skill or talent, it's technical.

... was that a yes or no?

last year there wasn't a scoring system, the judges decided together unanimously who the victor was.
liiiiiiiight buuuuullllllb
so how about this year the judges have an actual scoring system just like in (the real) Iron Chef? judges can give comments as they see fit after the initial viewing, then pass in their talleys, and the MC (brad) can announce the winner.

There will be judgement!
A judging panel of select veteran AMV creators and past contestants shall score the videos using the following 50-point criteria:

Use of secret ingredient: 15 points
Use of theme: 15 points
Technical merit: 10 points
Artistic merit: 10 points

[Rider4Z]

see? i knew i had a good idea.

[Ileia]

Who will be brave enough to challenge me on the battlefield?!

*cough*

But you can't mistake my not wanting to go to AX as not being brave enough to face you ;P

I will buy your badge and take care of your hotel if you go

This would be a showdown too epic to miss.

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*steals*

[Pwolf]

The official Iron Editor doesn't do a scoring system, the judges just get together and decide which one they think is better. However, this isn't Iron Editor and scoring systems are fine.

Basically, get rid of the rule, it's uneeded IMO or just say, "What ever is on the timeline at the end of the time period is what will be judged." The way i see it, at the end of the 3 hours, the editor should tell the tech staff (or who ever is going to render the videos for the editors) what program they used (premiere or after effects) as their primary editing program. The staff then render it out and what ever was on the time line is what is judged. It would be the editor's job to either utilize Adobe's dynamic link feature so that any AE comps are rendered on the timeline or pre-render them before the time limit. Iron Editor lets the participants give the video a look over incase the render messed up, other then that, they can't change anything. So, IMO, that would fall under Troy's "Technical" merit since it's more of a time management and basic editing principal to make sure your timeline is filled up. That said, there's no need to change the existing point system Troy made.

[The Wired Knight]

on a side note, the event's #1 priority, while still a competition, should be to entertain the audience. if you DQ an editor because they didn't render stuff out of AE before the time limit, you're only hurting the people who sat there for 3 hours expecting to see something cool but ended up seeing someone get DQd because of something minor.

I doubt anyone is going to be making complex enough comps that will take a long time to render anyway. I assume the AMV Editor block is 4 hours long to allow enough time?

I actually wonder what Vic would say about this. I don't think it's ever been an issue for Iron Editor.

Honestly, barring some MAJOR infraction (i.e. not using the secret ingredient at all, editing past the time limit) I don't think there is ever a good reason to DQ a video in Iron Editor. It kills the competition and makes the audience feel like they waited for nothing really.

Two things

1. Regarding the points, I have no problem with points but are the points divided between two videos or is it out of a maximum number of points? I.e. can I give a video a 10 out of 15 and another an 8 out of 15 or do I have to divide it and say go 10 and 5? Personally I prefer the later system for IE because the subjectiveness of point value becomes less of a factor (to get what I'm talking about consider aggregate review scores out of 100 - to some people a 50 is average but to some a 70 is average which means the two in an aggregate scoring system don't quite balance each other out regarding what the reviewer actually thought of it).

2. I strongly recomend the "Do you know the anime" game that I've seen at AWA for years for audience participation. It allows the audience to play along (withotu shouting the answers of course), consumes a lot of time and is just generally a fun game all around.

If we've got enough AMV editors out there I think you should do a "Do you know the AMV" game play something like 20 amv snippets with completley different music playing (i.e. A little retrospective & the AMV Hell 4 credits) and see how many actual AMVs can be spotted.

[Scintilla]

2. I strongly recomend the "Do you know the anime" game that I've seen at AWA for years for audience participation. It allows the audience to play along (withotu shouting the answers of course), consumes a lot of time and is just generally a fun game all around.

But make sure you screen contestants somehow for actually being able to name some animé. I know something like this is de rigeur at Otakon, but at last year's AWA, we had three contestants who did an astoundingly poor job at naming the sources in "Bouncing Through the Years".
While I love that video to death, I thought it was a poor choice for a "name the animé" game, because it was just all of GAiNAX's works up to 2005 and nothing else... yet the contestants STILL couldn't even name half of the sources!

[Pwolf]

At sakuracon, Vic basically said, "don't raise your hand if you don't know a lot of a anime."