AMV Contests - This whole trolling issue

BlueJellybean · Post by **BlueJellybean** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:29 pm

As a newbie to the amv community. This is a bit discouraging. But I have a belief that we should all do this for either fun, expressing ourselves and our love of anime.

As I sat and read this thread I realized that each and every person has a valid point.

This is such a gray issue that almost everyone is right. It is such an issue that no matter what happens with the rules and judging and submissions. Someone is eventually going to get pissed off. Thats life.

I personally have sent my last video into a lot of cons. Hell its my second video. I know it isn't going to win anything. But I want to try! And I'm helluah proud of all the veterans that do win time and time again with their vids. They deserve it.

I personally believe if you have one more than three or four awards. Back off let someone else have the spotlight. Sometimes this is just impossible. B/C of the deadlines on some cons.

Again.. I think everyone has made a valid point.. and in a way everyone is right. I agree with every statement in some way or another.

Like I said I'm a newbie. I don't know much about this. But like I said its SUCH a gray issue. Somebody in the end is going to end up pissed off. I say we leave it up to the people who head up the contest! And us ourselves have got to know when too much is just too much and its time to pass the glory to someone else.

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:33 pm

What I'm about to say may sound very elitest...but its something I'm going to point out in plain site...since its a vibe I can feel as well.

The only people who seem to be complaining about trolling (minus a few individuals on the thread) are the ones who really don't seem to be winning any awards at all....or at least I've never heard of them winning recently.

$40 for a entrance fee and video?.....Yea fucking right! Some people can't afford to go to every CON they submit too.

Local creators to Local Cons only? Thats bullshit considering that fact that alot of people live away from these big cities and its difficult for them since they dont have any nearby CONs. Ushicon is my local con and those guys won't even add an AMV contest to the roaster.

Here is what I do and what I've always done....make new videos and send them to any CON as I please....but I ALWAYS submit to the Big CONs like Otakon and AWA....

Every Convention and its judges will always be different.....but a video that may win at Tekkoshocon may not in at AWA or Otakon. Every audience is new no matter what Convention you go to....

Just because AMV creators bitch about trolling doesn't mean the audience feels the same away about trolling....

Entertainment is Entertainment. Period!

Ok, again, if this sounds elitest then please forgive me. It is not my intention to sound this way but I'm just pointing out what I'm reading in plain site.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:34 pm

BlueJellybean wrote:As I sat and read this thread I realized that each and every person has a valid point.

This is such a gray issue that almost everyone is right. It is such an issue that no matter what happens with the rules and judging and submissions. Someone is eventually going to get pissed off. Thats life.

Bah, I already said that Mandy-chan!

"Basically what I am getting at is that no matter how much we discuss this, the decision ultimately occurs on the contest side and that of the creator. "

j/k

BlueJellybean · Post by **BlueJellybean** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:37 pm

dwchang wrote:
BlueJellybean wrote:As I sat and read this thread I realized that each and every person has a valid point.

This is such a gray issue that almost everyone is right. It is such an issue that no matter what happens with the rules and judging and submissions. Someone is eventually going to get pissed off. Thats life.
Bah, I already said that Mandy-chan!

"Basically what I am getting at is that no matter how much we discuss this, the decision ultimately occurs on the contest side and that of the creator. "

j/k

Well POO! I was just stating that you were right! NEENER!!!

*hugs*

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:43 pm

Machine wrote:The only people who seem to be complaining about trolling (minus a few individuals on the thread) are the ones who really don't seem to be winning any awards at all....or at least I've never heard of them winning recently.

So i'm not the only one who was noticing this. I think if people put the effort that they spend complaining on making new amvs, then they'd be making some of the vids that wow and amaze an audience and are the envy of all new creators.

anneke · Post by **anneke** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:57 pm

Machine wrote: $40 for a entrance fee and video?.....Yea fucking right! Some people can't afford to go to every CON they submit too.

Local creators to Local Cons only? Thats bullshit considering that fact that alot of people live away from these big cities and its difficult for them since they dont have any nearby CONs. Ushicon is my local con and those guys won't even add an AMV contest to the roaster.

The $40 is just a number. It's more that the person would have to pay the membership fee for the convention they wish to submit to. They have to register for the convention, if they go or not is up to them.

As for Local creators for local cons, I believe strongly in this. AX, AWA, Otakon are sort of the Grand-masters and thus would be/and have been the contests for all creators to enter. However the other conventions, Fanime, Katsucon, Jacon, etc... should be for the Local creators.

Let me define what I mean by 'local' creator.

The convention is the closest to your home.
It's within 6 or so hours to your home by driving.
Your a 'local' creator if your attending the convention.

For those without a convention near by (more then 6 hours). They still have 3 conventions (AX, AWA, and Otakon) to submit to for competetion. If they want to submit to more, they can submit as Exhibition. Or simply talk to the AMV coordinator.

Anneke

hackerzc · Post by **hackerzc** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:59 pm

BogoSort wrote:
Machine wrote:The only people who seem to be complaining about trolling (minus a few individuals on the thread) are the ones who really don't seem to be winning any awards at all....or at least I've never heard of them winning recently.
So i'm not the only one who was noticing this. I think if people put the effort that they spend complaining on making new amvs, then they'd be making some of the vids that wow and amaze an audience and are the envy of all new creators.

Sorry to say that your argument does not hold any water. You don't know it, but this conversation been carried acress 3 topics, and a mailing list. There are quite literally dozons upon dozons of people invloved in it. Every one from Vlad to yourselves.

Because I understand what you are implying. You'r trying to make the point that only people who don't win are bitching, you were just afraid to come out and say it.

It's more like the only ones NOT bitching are those that troll or want to be able to. And since everyone had expressed some kind of opinion saying trolling is wrong, I quess we are all loosers or soemthing.

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:09 pm

anneke wrote: The convention is the closest to your home.
It's within 6 or so hours to your home by driving.
Your a 'local' creator if your attending the convention.
Anneke

That's kinda of an odd definition....I drove to AX last year which was a good 13hrs from where I live....that doesn't make me local to it.

I went to AWA which is 12 hrs away from Austin...that doesnt make a me a local creator....

I know people who have flown from LA to Atlanta or Atlanta to La for AX and AWA....that doesn't make them local creators.

Sorry Anneke, no hard feelings about this....jsut pointing out why I dont agree with ur definition

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:26 pm

hackerzc wrote:
BogoSort wrote:
Machine wrote:The only people who seem to be complaining about trolling (minus a few individuals on the thread) are the ones who really don't seem to be winning any awards at all....or at least I've never heard of them winning recently.
So i'm not the only one who was noticing this. I think if people put the effort that they spend complaining on making new amvs, then they'd be making some of the vids that wow and amaze an audience and are the envy of all new creators.
Sorry to say that your argument does not hold any water. You don't know it, but this conversation been carried acress 3 topics, and a mailing list. There are quite literally dozons upon dozons of people invloved in it. Every one from Vlad to yourselves.

Because I understand what you are implying. You'r trying to make the point that only people who don't win are bitching, you were just afraid to come out and say it.

It's more like the only ones NOT bitching are those that troll or want to be able to. And since everyone had expressed some kind of opinion saying trolling is wrong, I quess we are all loosers or soemthing.

I think you need to calm down, because obviously you feel passionately about this topic. First of all, I was not complaining about trolling. Frankly, I'd be happy to be competing against this infamous Yatta vid at Otakon this year. I don't personally see the need to make a tone down a competition to "give local creators a chance". Many of us are having a conversation about what defines trolling and that moved onto multiple discussions about ways to hopefully prevent it. Some individuals seem to have a vehement opposition to any form of trolling, and want to instate all sorts of rules and conventions about how to prevent this from ever happening. I just get an impression(from some of the statements that I've seen) that if these individuals were on the flip side and had submitted a vid to many cons and had it do well, that these individuals would want to bask in that glory for as long as possible. Course I could just be hallucinating.

Then again, I should take my own advice and go back to editing rather than ranting on various public forums.

anneke · Post by **anneke** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:49 pm

Machine wrote: That's kinda of an odd definition....I drove to AX last year which was a good 13hrs from where I live....that doesn't make me local to it.

I went to AWA which is 12 hrs away from Austin...that doesnt make a me a local creator....

I know people who have flown from LA to Atlanta or Atlanta to La for AX and AWA....that doesn't make them local creators.

Sorry Anneke, no hard feelings about this....jsut pointing out why I dont agree with ur definition

If your attending the convention your a 'local' creator. Your Local in that your at the convention. If you attend the convention your ofcourse allowed to enter the contest. I'm saying if you don't attend the convention, then you could still enter it, for the other reasons. I'm trying to take into account the poor college students who can't even travel to the nearest convention. If it's their nearest convention, they should be able to enter it, regardless of if they can attend.

Anneke