I know, at this point, I just want to know what happened so I can avoid it in the future.DigitalPanther wrote:If I can I will attempt to get you a screen shot to illustrate what I am referring to. However, my schedule is very very hectic at the moment as we are now 30 days from con and I do have my normal job as well. However, if I can I will attempt to get you a screen shot.Kazemon15 wrote: O_o
I checked those files personally. They were in crystal clear quality. Maybe you can provide me with a screenshot? I checked them on three different computers. I spent 2 whole days encoding and re-encoding just to make sure it was top notch. I had to resave them about 4 times so there were no rainbows or anything.
Either way. Unfortunately, the long and short of it is this. This year is a wash for your entry. As I have stated multiple times I am genuinely sorry for this. I can only report what happened.
The lateness of my sending you the notification would not have made a difference since you waited till the last day to send them in the first place. This made it so there would not have been a way within the rules to resubmit it. I am genuinely interested in seeing your video, but putting it in this years contest is out of the question at this point. I am sorry.
-Michael
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TLDR version. You submitted at the deadline. Most contest techs will probably just click play and if it doesn't work move right onto the next one. Their time is more valuable than AMV creators usually consider. There are many things that can go wrong in terms of encoding a file. Over the course of my time with ACen I have actually demonstrated several flaws and reproduceable errors with files that creators thought were OK.
It would be useful to know specifically which you saved it as. If you don't know what this means you should re-read the huffyuv documentation and http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... space.html before you determine. Open the file in avisynth with info() can tell you what color space you're decompressing it in. You say you tested the file on 3 computers but what codec version of Huffyuv were you using and what software applications did you use? Do any of those software compensate for bad/corrupt avi files? Is your avi larger than 2GB? If so did you save it as opendml avi? What happens when you read the file you sent to them in avisynth and virtualdub? When you burned the disc did you verify it? Including a md5 or CRC never hurts.
I'm assuming AX tech has already tried enabling "Always suggest RGB format" in the event whatever they are using to read the file is getting confused by YUY2 output. With large avi files there is always the danger that something in the actual avi file is borked. Based on what he is describing it doesn't sound like a complete bad compression because if that was the case
1) kazemon would never have been able to play the file properly
2) AX would have reported the file as 100% garbage colors (color space conversion problem during encoding will always yield this)
3) What did AX see when inspecting the file with avisynth and virtualdub
Based on the circumstances discussed I would consider that Huffyuv v2.1.1 from http://neuron2.net/www.math.berkeley.ed ... ffyuv.html was not used by kazemon or the AX crew is not processing these files with that version on a PC with virtualdub or avisynth. Trying to range down the actual problem with the large window of possibilities remaining after eliminating the errors of using weird setups for huffyuv would take quite a while.
The video file you saved has a color space associated with it. Either RGB or YUY2 in the case of Huffyuv v2.1.1Kazemon15 wrote:I didn't do any colorspace to it.
It would be useful to know specifically which you saved it as. If you don't know what this means you should re-read the huffyuv documentation and http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... space.html before you determine. Open the file in avisynth with info() can tell you what color space you're decompressing it in. You say you tested the file on 3 computers but what codec version of Huffyuv were you using and what software applications did you use? Do any of those software compensate for bad/corrupt avi files? Is your avi larger than 2GB? If so did you save it as opendml avi? What happens when you read the file you sent to them in avisynth and virtualdub? When you burned the disc did you verify it? Including a md5 or CRC never hurts.
I'm assuming AX tech has already tried enabling "Always suggest RGB format" in the event whatever they are using to read the file is getting confused by YUY2 output. With large avi files there is always the danger that something in the actual avi file is borked. Based on what he is describing it doesn't sound like a complete bad compression because if that was the case
1) kazemon would never have been able to play the file properly
2) AX would have reported the file as 100% garbage colors (color space conversion problem during encoding will always yield this)
3) What did AX see when inspecting the file with avisynth and virtualdub
Based on the circumstances discussed I would consider that Huffyuv v2.1.1 from http://neuron2.net/www.math.berkeley.ed ... ffyuv.html was not used by kazemon or the AX crew is not processing these files with that version on a PC with virtualdub or avisynth. Trying to range down the actual problem with the large window of possibilities remaining after eliminating the errors of using weird setups for huffyuv would take quite a while.
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woo most of that went right over my head 

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Eh, I understood some of it... I had a colorspace issue once and it made the colors in the export look inverted.
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I followed it pretty clearly. My primary player is Gomplayer but I also have the microsloth media player 11 and vlc. as well as premiere Pro CS4 and a few others. I have virtual dub but seldom use it, especially in regards to the amv contest. I used it this year to re join the split audio and video of one of the entrants (Thanks to Xstylus for walking me through that process. I usually just do that in Premiere). Its a good thing I did too because that vid ended up making the finals.Rider4Z wrote:woo most of that went right over my head
As for Kazemon's issue. If so desired, after con, I would be willing to try and investigate this further. Unfortunately I don't have the time precon to do it. between prep for AMVs, Being Division 2nd for the entirety of AVS/Vtech at AX, being Director/manager of the Main Events room, interacting with multiple management companies in prep for their concerts, A couple other somewhat time consuming positions in con, working tech for a second , albeit significantly smaller, con that is in two weeks and still maintaining my 40hr/week overnight job...time is...limited.
I don't list the above as a pity or sympathy tactic. If I didn't want to do those things and get a sense of accomplishment out of them I wouldn't do them. But it serves to explain why my time is a little limited till after con.
on a totally different tangent....I will be putting together the official version of the finalist list this evening and hope to have it up for you all either later tonight or tomorrow.
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And to clarify, I brought up YV12 because I'm pretty sure there's a version of HuffYUV, either an unofficial build that's later than 2.1.1 or the version that's part of ffdshow, that does allow YV12 encoding. I was thinking that if the AX people only had the official HuffYUV 2.1.1, then it obviously wouldn't play right for them.outlawed wrote:The video file you saved has a color space associated with it. Either RGB or YUY2 in the case of Huffyuv v2.1.1Kazemon15 wrote:I didn't do any colorspace to it.
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Oh man, now Im nervous D: Can't wait to see the list!DigitalPanther wrote:on a totally different tangent....I will be putting together the official version of the finalist list this evening and hope to have it up for you all either later tonight or tomorrow.
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Will this truly be a Memorial Day weekend or a crushing blow to our egos?Hagaren Viper wrote:Oh man, now Im nervous D: Can't wait to see the list!DigitalPanther wrote:on a totally different tangent....I will be putting together the official version of the finalist list this evening and hope to have it up for you all either later tonight or tomorrow.

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i don't think it'd be one without the otherCastor Troy wrote:Will this truly be a Memorial Day weekend or a crushing blow to our egos?
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Welcome to American Idol?Rider4Z wrote:i don't think it'd be one without the otherCastor Troy wrote:Will this truly be a Memorial Day weekend or a crushing blow to our egos?
"You're ignoring everything, except what you want to hear.." - jbone