Otakon AMV Contest 2005 Geoff or new guy

greenjinjo · Post by **greenjinjo** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:46 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:I just hope that the presence of AMVs at Otakon does not deminish by all this. That would be tragic...

Vlad

Well said, it would be a shame for anything to cause its downfall

It's the reason I make the drive up there, as I'm sure it is for many people on here.

genestarwind21122 · Post by **genestarwind21122** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:22 am

Okay guys listen I have some sympath to Geoff. For his house got totally flooded and lost everything. And when I said everything I mean everything. He only had a few shirts, a pair of jeans and a dreamcast that wasn't damaged from Isabella back in November last year. Also Geoff works a 6-4 schedule Monday through Friday. Now some librarys around this area aren't even open past 4 pm so there is really no time to get to a computer there. I'm not trying to make up escuses for this guy, but I believe in second chances. He's got stuff organized and planned for next year already. He is well ahead of the game. I ask you guys in a way for forgiveness for him.

Also I was at the prescreenings this year. Let's say they weren't as good as last years amv. Plus remember it wasn't Geoff who said what amv's got into the contest it was us the audience at the prescreens that decided with a point system. And the best ones with the highest points got in.

Anyway whatever does happend if Geoff gets back in with or without your help. Or if someone new takes over which I would be a little disappointed for not giving a second chance. As long as the contest is run well and goes better next year that's all that matters but I will try to see if I can have people understand where I'm coming from and maybe give it a second thought.

Also let me give you an example of what's happend here. The example is your an amv creator right. Well I'm sure that your first amv didn't come out like a masterpiece you probably made some unforgivable rookie mistakes but people didn't dismiss you for that. They give you feedback and tell you how you could make things better. I know that when I created my first amv. I was told that by Slayerwolf. The thing was I had a good story going. However the capture was off and had cn logos. Bad me, I was disperate. The scenes were to bright or pixelated. Lipsync was a big no no in a first amv. The timing was off eventhough the concept was there. Isn't this similar when you compare it to Geoff situation. As time goes on you improve. You get better at as you work at it. If you keep on dismissing new people and saying basically you suck then nobody would improve and we would stay at the same level. Tell me what you think. If you see where I'm coming from.

If you need another example. Look at my anime club. I had no idea how to run one. I learned by watching the other president of another club. Yeah it was rough and rigged, but members of the club made suggestions and I listend to them. And in time it improved. I still make mistakes but I learn from them. Now you have the opportunity to contact him and help him out. I'm sure if nobody helped anyone out in this world. No one would get anywhere.

Gene Starwind 21122

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:34 am

Gene, you comparing apple to oranges here... Making video and running contests are two different things... Videos are a personal thing and it does not need to satisfy anyone else... A good or bad video is suggestive as well...

Someone runnign a contest now effects a lot of people... It's not a hobby as making a video, but a tast or job that needs to be done. It effects people, time and money... Think of it as a job... If you don't care or mess up, most likely someone else will be asked to do it...

It's very unfortunate about Geoff's house and I sympathize with it, but it still is not relevent to the contest and how he ran it... Several of the issues and concerns really don't have anything to do with it... The problem here is that Otakon's contest has a very good reputation and has been very friendly to the auduance and the creators... And it only takes once to tarnish that... Just ask anyone about Anime Expo and what happened in 2002....

Vlad

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:22 am

New guy.

genestarwind21122 · Post by **genestarwind21122** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:01 am

I guess there is no convincing anybody that I have faith in him that he would do a better job. I mean Vlad you should know yourself how hard it is and espically for someone who has never ran one before to live up to the legendary Otakon AMV Contest standards that is a lot of pressure. If anything if we can't have Geoff then I would prefer someone here on the org who has had at least 2 years experience running a major contest to run Otakon next year than another new person. If the new person really wants to do it I recommend that they would have to watch and learn from the experienced coordinators on how to do such a thing and not left to be in the dark. And then the following year have the new person whoever it maybe run the contest but with assistance from the experience person. Then after that the following year should be fine.

Does this seem like a reasonable idea? Now if it is who here on the org would be generous enough to help out probably an estimated 24,000 + Otaku's at Otakon next year.

Gene Starwind 21122

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:27 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:I guess there is no convincing anybody that I have faith in him that he would do a better job. I mean Vlad you should know yourself how hard it is and espically for someone who has never ran one before to live up to the legendary Otakon AMV Contest standards that is a lot of pressure. If anything if we can't have Geoff then I would prefer someone here on the org who has had at least 2 years experience running a major contest to run Otakon next year than another new person. If the new person really wants to do it I recommend that they would have to watch and learn from the experienced coordinators on how to do such a thing and not left to be in the dark. And then the following year have the new person whoever it maybe run the contest but with assistance from the experience person. Then after that the following year should be fine.

Does this seem like a reasonable idea? Now if it is who here on the org would be generous enough to help out probably an estimated 24,000 + Otaku's at Otakon next year.

Gene Starwind 21122

Yes.. That is probably the best course of action. Best if someone new to all this starts off as an assistant and them takes over. That's the best eay for it to work...

Of course the hard part is trying to find someone with experience to do it....

Vlad

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:58 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote: And it only takes once to tarnish that... Just ask anyone about Anime Expo and what happened in 2002....

indeed... But i wont say James doesn't do a good job. he did a great job in 2003 and well it could've been better this year: no major complaints though. but, that's not the topic right now...

Pwolf

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:53 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:Okay guys listen I have some sympath to Geoff.

Sure, poor Geoff - but given the circumstances he should not have been coordinator because you cannot coordinate when your only contact with the outside world is from your mother's cell phone!!!

Oh and screw "better the devil you know"... we don't know Geoff. He has made very little actual contact with the community and any contact that was made was filled with misunderstanding.

I agree that someone with experience in amv contests should probably run it but Geoff is NOT experienced at amv contests, given that most of the work last year was done largely by other people.

Frankly at this point the "bettwe candidate" is the person who can actually be contacted about thing and doesn't shirk responsiblity. I'm all for giving the new guy a chance. There are no better candidates right now.

Khameleon808 · Post by **Khameleon808** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:12 pm

I vote the new guy , being this is gonna be the first con i attend , i dont want it ran by someone who the general consensus is , sucked last time left in charge of something like this , i can respect that fact that he makes amv's as well. but cant that be kinda biased , you start to develop a style and taste for others editing as well as your own. If I were to have a submission in there this year i would want it judged by someone who has no conceit for themselves or try and compare each vid to one's own style, dont get me wrong im not sayin thats what geoff does , but people thought he didnt do a good job so i think its only fair to let someone new have a go at it. cause if there is a chance of another contest venue sucking , that might toll on attendance the following year. Just my 2 cents , dont spend it all on one place

Freako · Post by **Freako** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:38 pm

I vote new guy .

I watched too many videos where the sound was too low, and amvs with the same anime were back to back. Although these things may seem trivial, it really puts the creator at a disadvantage when the audience that just sats through 3 minutes of footage has to sit and watch another 3 minutes with all the same footage.

and on another note . starting the prescreenings at 9 am ? on friday ?

gimmie at least an hour to go through registration.
ok Im done.